Fear of road riding

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:eek::excl: Really? I'm not being sarcastic, really you experienced riders suggest this on a daily commute? I would have thought this would annoy the driver behind. I noticed that if I don't keep a straight line on a cycling path, because of glass or potholes, the cyclist behind gets huffy. Or does this strategy only work if you ride quite fast?

Really. If drivers see you holding a straight line they reason their paintwork will be safe in a close pass. If you are moving around they will give more room just in case you come towards their paintwork at the moment they are passing. And if it annoys them its only because they are having to hold back and pass properly as per the HC rather than skimming past. Seriously! Try it.

It doesn't need to be enough to give a following cyclist a problem - a foot or so either way is enough but I am guided just by the road surface and no-one can object to you following the smoother areas of tarmac or avoiding broken and cracked surfaces or poor repairs.
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
Really. If drivers see you holding a straight line they reason their paintwork will be safe in a close pass. If you are moving around they will give more room just in case you come towards their paintwork at the moment they are passing. And if it annoys them its only because they are having to hold back and pass properly as per the HC rather than skimming past. Seriously! Try it.

It doesn't need to be enough to give a following cyclist a problem - a foot or so either way is enough but I am guided just by the road surface and no-one can object to you following the smoother areas of tarmac or avoiding broken and cracked surfaces or poor repairs.

OK, will try this strategy on my next commute. I'm off for a couple of days, next shifts are more or less at peak times for busy traffic: if I get run over it's your fault and you will have to look after my cat in the event of my demise! :laugh:
 

Hip Priest

Veteran
I sympathise because I have loads of phobias, but I'm lucky in that I never had a fear of road cycling. I just bought a bike and got started. What definitely helped me in terms of learning the ropes was joining this forum, taking advice and watching Gaz's silly cyclists series.
 
Yeah it's lucky that some of us are giving sound pragmatic advice isn't it? Not everything is rosy is it? How much cycling do you actually do? Perhaps Walsall is a model of manners where every one treats every one else with courtesy and respect ;) ?
Crankarm, i cycle approx 2,500 commuting miles a year;more than some and not as much as others admittedly.Walsall i should imagine is no better or worse than many other similar sized towns.
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
:eek::excl: Really? I'm not being sarcastic, really you experienced riders suggest this on a daily commute? I would have thought this would annoy the driver behind. I noticed that if I don't keep a straight line on a cycling path, because of glass or potholes, the cyclist behind gets huffy. Or does this strategy only work if you ride quite fast?
It also makes you appear a little less experienced/skilled/confident and drivers tend to give you more room as they think you're about to fall off. I have no evidence to back it up but I'm convinced I have more room given to me when I'm slogging away in "normal" clothes commuting on the mountain bike than I do when I'm lycra clad on the roadie, having spoken to my wife about it (she doesn't cycle) she has told me that when she is driving her immediate assumption is that the lycra biker must be more experienced than one that isn't dressed as such, even though she knows it isn't the case. A little steer round an obstacle can help to take away the automatic assumption that you're going to be riding straight as an arrow because you're so experienced and can be a useful tool, this isn't the same as veering around in the road of course :thumbsup:
Of course you shouldn't be riding through potholes anyway.
Ignore huffy cyclists BTW :smile:
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
We have had numerous cyclists literally crucified on here for posting their acounts of being run off the road, dangerous close passes, knocked down, objects thrown at them,
Really? Literally? Could you point me in their direction. I'd like to let admin know, surely the mods should have stepped in before it got to the point where people were "literally" being crucified, I think they've been neglecting their duties, at Easter too!
 

lulubel

Über Member
Location
Malaga, Spain
It also makes you appear a little less experienced/skilled/confident and drivers tend to give you more room as they think you're about to fall off. I have no evidence to back it up but I'm convinced I have more room given to me when I'm slogging away in "normal" clothes commuting on the mountain bike than I do when I'm lycra clad on the roadie, having spoken to my wife about it (she doesn't cycle) she has told me that when she is driving her immediate assumption is that the lycra biker must be more experienced than one that isn't dressed as such, even though she knows it isn't the case.

That's interesting. I find I get more close passes on the MTB, which I put down to the fact I'm going slower, and drivers are more likely to squeeze past because their perception of being "held up" is greater. There's one road that I'll happily ride at any time on the road bike, but only at weekends on the MTB because the close passes from lorries on weekdays makes it very unpleasant. I don't get it on the road bike, and I assume that's because they're waiting for a safe place to pass.

I've found not holding a straight line does get you more room. (I discovered it when I was first learning how to drink on the move, and tended to wobble when I was getting the bottle in or out of the cage.) I now use it to my advantage often, and also find positioning the hand holding the bottle out where it's visible if I'm having a drink gets me more room, presumably because I'm perceived as more of a hazard when I've clearly only got one hand on the bars.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is female cyclists getting more room. I had my hair cut short last autumn, and immediately noticed the number of close passes increased. I've tried wearing a pink jersey, but that doesn't seem to help because Spanish men don't have issues with wearing pink. I'm now growing my hair again!

To the OP, there are some dangers in cycling on the road, but that can be said of anything in life, including walking along your local high street, or driving to the supermarket. The more often you do it, and the more often your fears are not realised, the more confident you will become. (Unless it's an actual phobia, where repeatedly exposing yourself to the source of your fear may not help - it didn't help me with my phobia. But there are people who can help with phobias.)
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
That's interesting. I find I get more close passes on the MTB, which I put down to the fact I'm going slower, and drivers are more likely to squeeze past because their perception of being "held up" is greater.
I wonder if it's cultural, It would appear that different countries seem to have vastly different attitudes when it comes to cyclists, how are cyclists generally viewed in Spain? Bit OT, sorry OP.
 

Hebe

getting better all the time
Location
wiltshire
I learned to ride as an adult, with notions of pedalling serenely along the tow-path/shared-use paths with my child in a bike seat behind me. I was surprised to learn very fast that I felt much safer on the road, with my daughter in a trailer. There are still a few right turns that I will make on foot, and some local roads that I haven't ridden yet but instruction from a Bikeability instructor has been superbly helpful. On the whole, I feel a lot safer on my bike in the road than I do as a pedestrian trying to walk the same route. Shared paths are a pain with having to stop and give way/cross at poorly designed junctions, and transitioning from road to shared path or vice-versa with a trailer is often horrid to the point that I choose to stay in the road rather than risk capsizing the trailer on a section of "dropped" kerb that is too short and barely dropped. I have massiive "what if" fears running in my head sometimes, but I want to show my girl that cycling is a normal way of getting around, and that there are alternatives to the car for the many shorter journeys that she does. So I would suggest booking a session or two with a local Bikeability instructor.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
I wear mostly black. It's practical, it looks good, and it goes with everything. What you need to remember is that drivers who say they didn't see you are either lying, or making a tacit admission that they weren't looking (in which case it makes no difference what you wear). I don't intend to humour them by dressing like a Playmobil figurine.

Would you ............. Oh go on :bravo:
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
Not everything is rosy, but on the other hand most of us are riding thousands of miles a year on the road, and having an absolute whale of a time. Mostly without serious mishap.

Do you ride a pedalo???? In all my years of cycling I never saw a whale on the roads, but maybe you have which is fine and dandy.
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
:eek::excl: Really? I'm not being sarcastic, really you experienced riders suggest this on a daily commute? I would have thought this would annoy the driver behind. I noticed that if I don't keep a straight line on a cycling path, because of glass or potholes, the cyclist behind gets huffy. Or does this strategy only work if you ride quite fast?

I have a stretch on a main route that joins up with the M32 that has poor road surface for 100m where it has obviously been dug a trench and then in filled really badly. I know where it is and always move further out in advance. Or the stretch just after dropping my son off at school - both I will be in primary in a planned manor (and tough if they are annoyed - can't say I've ever had anyone complain at either section).

On a windy day I've been known to wobble a bit more than necessary to point out to drivers that the wind is blowing me around a little and give me (and other cyclists) some more space that day.
 
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