First electric car experience

[gzoom]

The love is for personable mobility, which most of us are welded to for work and leisure.

Why don't you think EVs give you personal freedom? Ours has taken us everywhere around the UK and to France. Next year we will be hitting the Fjords of Norway in it......

How much more personal freedom do you want??

 

[MrGrumpy]

You think there’ll be enough capacity?

That’s my point as well no chance ! Solar and heat pumps instead of gas boilers is the other thing touted. Just not practical.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Why don't you think EVs give you personal freedom? Ours has taken us everywhere around the UK and to France. Next year we will be hitting the Fjords of Norway in it......

How much more personal freedom do you want??

Once we all are driving EVs will there be enough charge points everywhere you go? Infrastructure is miles behind here from what I can see. Unless charging at home.

 

[icowden]

Except unlike you, not everyone can afford / or justify (in my case) a 70-100k Tesla new (so the lower depreciation is utterly irrelevant, ditto the lower 'fuelling' costs) (or indeed the lease/loan costs to get one)

I think you mean depreciate not deprecate in your other post too

My Skoda cost me around 12k in 2013 (under a year old, 4k on clock...Skoda had in their management fleet and took the 6k loss), still only got 30k on clock (another reason why an EV car is of minimal interest to me), perhaps worth half that now, losing £30k on a Tesla 8 years seems like pretty poor depreciation (even if it is *only* 33%)

Yes a Tesla might make sense compared to a 100k diesel or petrol Audi/RR/BMW/Mercedes behemoth but not against the average family saloon or hatchback...and the behemoth buyer is evidently the market Teslas are currently aimed at it seems given the cost (and the big ones are every bit as ugly imo)

Oh I can't afford one. I'd *like* one. But I can't afford one. I'm hoping to afford the Tesla Y when it comes out in the UK.
However, the argument was that EVs depreciate more than ICE cars. They just don't.

A new Skoda Octavia is 22k. A 2013 Skoda Octaia with 30k on the clock seems to be about 8k. A depreciation of nearly 66%. Double the EVs I cited.
In 2019 the Nissan Leaf 2 was 22k on launch in the UK. An 8 year old Nissan Leaf with 30k miles is around 10k.

I agree with you that they are still too expensive, and Tesla is working its way down to the affordable EV, but isn't there yet. The Model 3 was supposed to be affordable but is still at the luxury end of affordable, so there is work to do. However the Government could help (as many other governments do) with incentives rather than disincentives.

 

[icowden]

Once we all are driving EVs will there be enough charge points everywhere you go? Infrastructure is miles behind here from what I can see. Unless charging at home.

Again, you are thinking like a petrol car driver. As Gzoom and I have pointed out. You DON'T NEED TO CHARGE EVERYWHERE. You start every day with a *full* tank. Yes, if you live somewhere where you cannot charge at home, they are much more problematic.

As I have also said, I think soon we will reach a point where car ownership declines. I used to live in London. I had no need to own a car.

 

[gzoom]

Once we all are driving EVs will there be enough charge points everywhere you go? Infrastructure is miles behind here from what I can see. Unless charging at home.

Why wouldn't rapid charging site expand in number as EV numbers grow, they have done so already in recent years.

Some people seem to have unfounded fears about EV ownership. We are lucky enough as a family we can afford just about any car on the market (sub 6 figures), and I can tell you I don't like inconvenience nor hassle.

Do you honestly think I wouldn't have sold our EV by now if living with one was some horrific experience some people on here think it is?? Why would I do that?? I once swapped cars 3 times in 10 months, so I can reassure you I have zero issues shifting out of cars I don't enjoy owning.

Instead am now planning a 3000 mile road trip to Norway in our EV. How many people have driven their combustion cars on a 3000 mile road trip??

EVs work, and work fine. The only barrier is cost which is coming down, and fairly quickly.

 

[vickster]

Oh I can't afford one. I'd *like* one. But I can't afford one. I'm hoping to afford the Tesla Y when it comes out in the UK.
However, the argument was that EVs depreciate more than ICE cars. They just don't.

A new Skoda Octavia is 22k. A 2013 Skoda Octaia with 30k on the clock seems to be about 8k. A depreciation of nearly 66%. Double the EVs I cited.
In 2019 the Nissan Leaf 2 was 22k on launch in the UK. An 8 year old Nissan Leaf with 30k miles is around 10k.

I agree with you that they are still too expensive, and Tesla is working its way down to the affordable EV, but isn't there yet. The Model 3 was supposed to be affordable but is still at the luxury end of affordable, so there is work to do. However the Government could help (as many other governments do) with incentives rather than disincentives.

I assumed you have a Tesla.

I'm not sure why the % depreciation is relevant, for me it's the actual ££ amount... the % says nothing unless you're comparing two 100k cars maybe and one loses 30k and one 40k.

Why should the Government encourage what are more large cars onto the road? Or indeed any cars onto the road, they should be encouraging active travel not the ferrying of children to school in EVs (as opposed to petrol 4x4)

 

[Pale Rider]

Whereas an 8 year old diesel is presumably worth millions?

No, but it will be priced as a viable buy for the next owner, rather than a brick on wheels that needs thousands spending on it.

The 2012 Vauxhall Meriva I part ex-ed a year or so ago was similar to your Scenic.

Close to 100,000 miles, but everything worked and it was about as tidy as could be expected.

It made a couple of grand against a much newer and lower mileage Focus.

Why don't you think EVs give you personal freedom?

That is not what I said.

What I did say is we are all welded to on demand personal mobility, so it's about the best way to achieve that.

An electric car could give me the mobility I seek, as can a diesel.

At present, the diesel is a lot cheaper overall and more convenient, so that's what I've bought.

If the electric car was cheaper and more convenient, I'd buy one of those.

 

[Peugeotrider]

I've never sat at a charger for 2 hrs in 5 years of having an EV as our main car. Infact on our recent 1020 mile trip to Scotland I had to move the car from the charger because the humans weren't ready to travel and car was at 100% charge.

Do you think charging EVs requires magic? If you have a spare plug socket at home you can charge an EV, or do you only have 1 plug socket.

As for 'hating' automatics, what more needs to be said when even Porsche and Ferrari sell essentially only automatics these days....may be you are the odd one out? Yet you work in the motor trade?

Come to northern Ireland and see how you feel about EVs after a month living here.
I'd never have any desire to own a Porsche or Ferrari
Because I'm in the trade does not necessarily mean I am passionate about cars....the opposite in fact.
There are very few EVs in northern Ireland...the diesel still rules supreme here above everything else.
I think in my home town there are maybe 3 charge points and it's a medium sized town. I'd expect in the mainland to be better.
Personally... If I won an ev....I'd have on auto trader within the week

 

[cougie uk]

Come to northern Ireland and see how you feel about EVs after a month living here.
I'd never have any desire to own a Porsche or Ferrari
Because I'm in the trade does not necessarily mean I am passionate about cars....the opposite in fact.
There are very few EVs in northern Ireland...the diesel still rules supreme here above everything else.
I think in my home town there are maybe 3 charge points and it's a medium sized town. I'd expect in the mainland to be better.
Personally... If I won an ev....I'd have on auto trader within the week

Just because you're in the trade doesn't mean you understand EVs either...

If you don't have parking or you tow a caravan everywhere then don't get an electric.

For the vast majority of us EV works now.

Every day the car is full when I leave home. I visit charging stations about twice a year. No queuing for petrol - and have you noticed it's always blowing a gale and freezing when you need to refill ?

Less servicing costs. Less to go wrong. Less fuel costs. Great in traffic as no fiddling with gears. Faster acceleration than normal cars.

No way would I go back.

 

[cougie uk]

It's not the driving....it's the refuelling.
Looking like a plonker sitting at a charge point for 2 hours .
What if you have 3 EVs in your home and everyone needs charged at the same time?
Also....I hate automatic cars.

This is the whole point. You don't know what you're talking about.
Nobody is spending two hours sitting at a charge point.

As to charging multiple cars - all you need is a socket. That's just slower than the EV charging point but presumably people sleep ? Charge up overnight

 

[Peugeotrider]

This is the whole point. You don't know what you're talking about.
Nobody is spending two hours sitting at a charge point.

As to charging multiple cars - all you need is a socket. That's just slower than the EV charging point but presumably people sleep ? Charge up overnight

And run the cable up the street 50 m to the car?
Yup....great idea

 

[cougie uk]

And run the cable up the street 50 m to the car?
Yup....great idea

You've three cars but no space to park them ? You'll be better off when the self driving cabs come around.

 

[Peugeotrider]

You've three cars but no space to park them ? You'll be better off when the self driving cabs come around.

I don't have 3 cars yet but with two daughters fast approaching 17...I most likley will have 3 cars all parked on the street.
And those that live in flats....just toss the cable out the window and run it down the side of the building? 🤣
I think we have to agree to disagree.
Anyway....I couldn't afford to buy an ev so it will not really apply to me.

 

[vickster]

I don't have 3 cars yet but with two daughters fast approaching 17...I most likley will have 3 cars all parked on the street.
And those that live in flats....just toss the cable out the window and run it down the side of the building? 🤣
I think we have to agree to disagree.
Anyway....I couldn't afford to buy an ev so it will not really apply to me.

Get them bikes not cars