From a scale of 7 to 10 how middle class is this forum?

[Dirk]

I went to Lidl and bought some of their Shark 5 razor blades. Aristocratic or what??

Nah! Aristocrats grow beards.

 

[Tin Pot]

Your "class" (and I really hate the idea of shoehorning individuals into these stereotypes) is a function of your upbringing. It's your upbringing that defines your values and its your values that define your class. By the time you leave school it's set in stone

You can be poor as a church mouse, but if your parents were quite well off and you lived in a nice house and had a "good" education, you cannot be working class because your values are not those of the working class. The opposite is also true. My Dad was a plumber and I was one of the poorest kids in my class at school. I've done alright for myself, but I could never define myself as middle class by dint of my upbringing

Hmm, that’s just a rejection of class or worse it’s saying class is a function of your parents and you can’t change it.

I think the new system that accounts for economics, culture and social is better. Classification can be useful, although labels and pigeon holing are generally destructive.

 

[BoldonLad]

I went to Lidl and bought some of their Shark 5 razor blades. Aristocratic or what??

Definitely not, I would have thought. Surely, Aristocrats have people to do such things for them?

 

[Tin Pot]

Nah! Aristocrats grow beards.

I Binged “bearded aristocracy” and got this and thousands of the same, I’m not sure if it supports or denounces your position...

 

[nickyboy]

Hmm, that’s just a rejection of class or worse it’s saying class is a function of your parents and you can’t change it.

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Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's got nothing to do with how much money you've got. It's a way of segmenting society based on the values that are held. And these values come, in the main, from your parents, teachers and friends whilst growing up

 

[PK99]

Your "class" (and I really hate the idea of shoehorning individuals into these stereotypes) is a function of your upbringing. It's your upbringing that defines your values and its your values that define your class. By the time you leave school it's set in stone

You can be poor as a church mouse, but if your parents were quite well off and you lived in a nice house and had a "good" education, you cannot be working class because your values are not those of the working class. The opposite is also true. My Dad was a plumber and I was one of the poorest kids in my class at school. I've done alright for myself, but I could never define myself as middle class by dint of my upbringing

Are your kids middle class?

 

[PK99]

[QUOTE 5194238, member: 43827"]I was brought up in a very working class environment. If my young self could see the life I lead now he would definitely describe it as middle class.

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Ditto. Parents were (in modern parlance) minimum wage people. Cars, telephones, holidays, meals in restaurants were unattainable things as I was growing up. From the day I went to Uni on full grant, I had more money in my pocket for discretionary spending on "me" than either of my parents ever had.

By income, wealth and lifestyle no one would see me as anything other than Middle Class.

The concepts of Class (Upper/Middle/Working) are, and have been for a long time, pretty irrelevant. They had relevance when mobility between the lifestyles ergo Classes, was very limited. Now, they are essentially meaningless - the Blue collar (working class) White collar (middle class0 distinction long since ceased to mean anything as many traditional Blue Collar/Working class jobs (plumber) pay more than traditional White collar/Middle class jobs (Teacher)

Class is meaningless.

 

[Tin Pot]

Ditto. Parents were (in modern parlance) minimum wage people. Cars, telephones, holidays, meals in restaurants were unattainable things as I was growing up. From the day I went to Uni on full grant, I had more money in my pocket for discretionary spending on "me" than either of my parents ever had.

By income, wealth and lifestyle no one would see me as anything other than Middle Class.

The concepts of Class (Upper/Middle/Working) are, and have been for a long time, pretty irrelevant. They had relevance when mobility between the lifestyles ergo Classes, was very limited. Now, they are essentially meaningless - the Blue collar (working class) White collar (middle class0 distinction long since ceased to mean anything as many traditional Blue Collar/Working class jobs (plumber) pay more than traditional White collar/Middle class jobs (Teacher)

Class is meaningless.

Unless you measure it by economic, cultural and social measures. Which they do. Hence the new scheme. And it’s relevance.

 

[arch684]

My father was a miner,my brothers were all miners the only reason i was not a miner was because my father would not let me work down the pit.I could'nt be middle class if i tried

 

[snorri]

I have both black and green olives in the fridge, sun dried tomatoes and make my own bread, astra and soup.
You tell me

The fridge swung it for me, you're a toff.

 

[PK99]

Unless you measure it by economic, cultural and social measures. Which they do. Hence the new scheme. And it’s relevance.

But that is not Class, it is Socioeconomic classification ie a descriptor of Education/work/lifestyle not an indicator of group membership and loyalties

 

[nickyboy]

Are your kids middle class?

Much more so than me because their influences include their friends and their school. "Class" is a continuum so I'm less working class than my Dad but my kids are more middle class than me

 

[Tin Pot]

But that is not Class, it is Socioeconomic classification ie a descriptor of Education/work/lifestyle not an indicator of group membership and loyalties

Hmm, I think you forget that upper, middle and lower were the socioeconomic classifications if the past. That’s why they were called classes.

It’s not like I care, I’m just sad that noone’s fighting about it...yet.

 

[slowmotion]

Definitely not, I would have thought. Surely, Aristocrats have people to do such things for them?

Alas , one had to let the staff go when one moved into a compact flat in the West wing......

 

[slowmotion]

Nah! Aristocrats grow beards.

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I'm still thinking about that.