Giant have a new design on the new defy, me being the op I really didnt have time to get to a giant store to sit on the bike for testing therefor the post in the first place, work an very active 2 year old put paid to that, I am pleased to say that I have received my new defy 1 in medium size and after having a quick setup it is a really nice fit,saddle is by no means at the top end of its settings, arms on hoods very very comfortable, moreso than my 56 allez, I am happy that I asked the question on here and got the desired advise early on to go for the medium, there was only 1 reply suggesting otherwise at the point of which I changed my order to medium, then the replies shifted more towards a m/l after I had allready changed my order once, going by sizes suggested on ruthlands site for this model the m was looking like a good fit
I am happy with my purchase, well more than happy so thanks to everyone for their views as different as they may be which is a good thing
So thanks again to everyone who posted
Vinny
Ps will post pic tomorrow of my N+1