How can Donhou charge £2300 for an off the shelf 853 frame?

[GrumpyGregry]

So either it is ok to do it, or it isn't - I'm not clear.

No one here except a mod is going to stop you expressing your opinions. But you will get called on them if others disagree.

There is no envy here, and I'm not sure why you think there is.

Because of the name calling, is why.

"I would not pay that for that frame" is one thing whilst "I would not pay that for that frame and, what is more, anyone who does is a mug" is quite another. some will find that offensive, others will ask "Why do you say that?"

You come across a bit like you aren't used to having your opinions challenged, and your communication style does you no favours. I'll put that down to your only having recently joined CC.

(unless you are a returnee of some kind....)

 

[Profpointy]

Craftsmanship.

twice as good (or twice as nice?) as woodrup, argos, Rourke and the rest ? You're sacrificing bespokeness too.

 

[Citius]

An opinion that may be better to keep to yourself.

Is there some law against expressing an opinion then? Or is it only opinions that are approved by you?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Hang on - I missed this earlier. So Donhou - by charging twice the cost of the others - is the only one who is pricing his frames fairly?

Can you provide a link to a builder who lists an OTS 853 ProTeam disc frame with fitted CK head set and identical carbon disc fork. Then I could compare apples with apples.

 

[screenman]

Is there some law against expressing an opinion then? Or is it only opinions that are approved by you?

I think you will find there was a few more than just me.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

My question isn't rhetorical - what are you getting for double (or whatever) the price of some pretty high-end alternatives, on the surface rather higher-end alternatives it would seem to me?

Give him a call. He'll tell you. You can then decide if you are convinced. Or not.

 

[Citius]

You come across a bit like you aren't used to having your opinions challenged,

That's funny, because I get the same feeling about some of you.

 

[Profpointy]

Give him a call. He'll tell you. You can then decide if you are convinced. Or not.

well I don't really want one - I just wondered why a load of people here thought it was so good and it must be said, getting very huffy about anyone non believers for some reason

 

[Citius]

I think you will find there was a few more than just me.

Moral majority?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

twice as good (or twice as nice?) as woodrup, argos, Rourke and the rest ? You're sacrificing bespokeness too.

Perhaps he delivers it in a calf skin pouch. Perhaps when you collect it it comes with a free soigneur. Perhaps he pays himself a decent wage and doesn't get his apprentice to do his welding for him.

Fact is we don't know what his value proposition or USP actually is in this case.

 

[Citius]

Fact is we don't know what his value proposition or USP actually is in this case.

Earlier, I thought it was clear why he was charging more. Now it seems like it isn't - and nobody knows?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

well I don't really want one - I just wondered why a load of people here thought it was so good and it must be said, getting very huffy about anyone non believers for some reason

Huffiness is about name calling. That's my reading.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Earlier, I thought it was clear why he was charging more. Now it seems like it isn't - and nobody knows?

Speculation (forums are full of it) vs facts?
Strong opinions masquerading as facts?

 

[Citius]

Speculation (forums are full of it) vs facts?
Strong opinions masquerading as facts?

As far as I can tell, the only 'fact' we've managed to establish so far is that the frames are over-priced.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

That's funny, because I get the same feeling about some of you.

Which part of me has offended?