Peter Armstrong
Über Member
I cycle in the Primary to avoid arguements and such, not sit in the gutter. The more people cycle correctly the more drivers get used to it. Win Win.
How to get along with other drivers
- Thread starter Garethgas
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coffeejo
Ælfrēd
- Location
- West Somerset
Seems to me there's a lot of misunderstanding on this thread about the general meaning (or intended meaning) of primary and secondary positions.
glenn forger
Guest
I don't hold traffic up by riding primary, they may do a pathetic little brrrrm BBBBRRRRM! overtake but I always catch them at the next lights.
I don't hold them up, more often they hold me up, I don't blast the Airzound and shake fists, I've seen plenty of drivers who do!
I don't hold them up, more often they hold me up, I don't blast the Airzound and shake fists, I've seen plenty of drivers who do!
400bhp
Guru
Because, you know what, they are meaningless.
coffeejo
Ælfrēd
- Location
- West Somerset
Don't go all philosophical on me. Does the road still exist if nobody's using it?
400bhp
Guru
No
They are just meaningless terms to me. I never consciously think about what position I'm in to be honest. I just move in or out.
Perhaps the only meaningful one is whether out or in the gutter. And I do, on occasion, ride in the gutter.
Linford
Guest
I'll bet you have in the past if your form here is anything to go by
glenn forger
Guest
I probably cycle more in a Year than you have in your life, through the roughest part of the capital. You don't know what you're talking about.
Rob3rt
Man or Moose!
- Location
- Manchester
How to get along with other drivers?
Don't be a cock end! Should serve successful in 97.3% of situations.
Don't be a cock end! Should serve successful in 97.3% of situations.
glenn forger
Guest
Only one of the recent London cyclist fatalities involved any wrong doing by the cyclist. All the rest most definitely were not being cock ends, and they got killed.
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Linford
Guest
Really ?
GrasB
Veteran
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
One of the reasons that people gutter riding get a less abuse is because they're not seen.
It's much easier for a motorist to see you & not be annoyed by a cyclist starting in primary & moving to secondary if there is space for a motorist to pass. But on the other hand moving from secondary to primary can easily be seen as a blocking manoeuvre. For this reason I ride in primary most of the time but keep aware of what's approaching from behind & in front of me then move to secondary as I feel appropriate. It's interesting I end up with far more 'abuse' when moving from secondary to primary (eg. car horn blaring for the 10 seconds it takes them to actually catch me) than riding in primary for prolonged periods.
It's much easier for a motorist to see you & not be annoyed by a cyclist starting in primary & moving to secondary if there is space for a motorist to pass. But on the other hand moving from secondary to primary can easily be seen as a blocking manoeuvre. For this reason I ride in primary most of the time but keep aware of what's approaching from behind & in front of me then move to secondary as I feel appropriate. It's interesting I end up with far more 'abuse' when moving from secondary to primary (eg. car horn blaring for the 10 seconds it takes them to actually catch me) than riding in primary for prolonged periods.
glenn forger
Guest
Yeah, pretty much this, keep a straight line and you won't surprise and alarm drivers by veering out to avoid a parked car or whatever. Predictable is safe.
- Location
- The Cronk
A lot of posts have been deleted from this thread, for being aggressive, off topic, unpleasant and not welcoming to a newer member.
Keep to the subject under discussion, avoid any personal confrontations and being rude .. and some good advice might come through.
Thank you.
Keep to the subject under discussion, avoid any personal confrontations and being rude .. and some good advice might come through.
Thank you.
glenn forger
Guest
If you are really claiming that cyclists are at fault in over 93% of accidents I'd be interested to see the source for that statistic?
