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[Norm]

I originally thought that the vehicle which tries to pull the trick on you was one which had entered the roundabout in the left lane. However, having looked at the whole video again, that is actually the Freelander which you pull in front of before the roundabout, isn't it?

That kinda gives some weight to Lee's comments, doesn't it? The Freelander went from the right hand lane on the approach to the left lane on the roundabout, just as Lee suggests you should have done.

Another viewpoint is that the Freelander driver, who has already let you in once when you have been in the wrong lane, has moved to the left hand lane on the roundabout, notices you trying to pull off the roundabout from the right hand lane and beeps to make you aware of his / her presence.

Tough to comment, though, as no-one else was there.

 

[thomas]

I originally thought that the vehicle which tries to pull the trick on you was one which had entered the roundabout in the left lane. However, having looked at the whole video again, that is actually the Freelander which you pull in front of before the roundabout, isn't it?

That kinda gives some weight to Lee's comments, doesn't it? The Freelander went from the right hand lane on the approach to the left lane on the roundabout, just as Lee suggests you should have done.

Another viewpoint is that the Freelander driver, who has already let you in once when you have been in the wrong lane, has moved to the left hand lane on the roundabout, notices you trying to pull off the roundabout from the right hand lane and beeps to make you aware of his / her presence.

Yeah, it was the car I pulled in filtered in front of. They didn't really let me in at the junction, there was just space there for me so I took it. I only said thank you because I'm polite. I didn't "cut them up" or anything quite like that.

The only thing I can really think of is that they might have misinterpreted my thanks sign as a right turn...it looked nothing like one, but I did it was my right arm. A long, long, long shot though

There positioning wasn't in the left hand lane, they were across both, very close to me. They were only on the left as they seemed to be trying to get past me. There beep sounded more aggressive than anything. I'd already been checking my left side for a good few seconds before they did anything.

I wouldn't base much on the driver's road position...down the hill until I pointed at the camera the drivers side was over the white lines/on hatchings trying to get a gap to get past.

Certainly, the line I took is the only line I've ever seen anyone take this roundabout at. The incident only occurred because the driver behind was in a rush and thought he could undertake a cyclist before the exit.

 

[Zippy]

With regard to the roundabout incident, if I were in a car I would have entered the straight on (outside) lane on my approach to the roundabout (rab) but once on the roundabout the lanes become conventional so I would go from outside lane on the approach, to left hand lane (exiting lane) once on the rab which then brings me correctly in line for the rab exit; which is a single lane road.

If on a bicycle or a motorcycle the highway code advises the rider to position the bike a little to the left of primary so there would be enough room on exiting the rab for both a bicycle and car to exit together safely, or at least be overtaken on the right which is preferable to being undertaken.

I think your position around the rab possibly gave the impression you were turning right around the rab for a later exit, which alarmed the car on your left when you suddenly swept in front. You correctly point out that motorcyclists do this but they have the advantage of accelerating off the roundabout while keeping a safe distance from the cars to their left. A cycle doesnt have the advantage of acceleration usually.

I think I would have maintained primary on the approach to the rab and around (cars shouldnt be travelling faster than 20 here anyway), but move further left on exiting to allow traffic flow.

With the parked van and 4x4, if the cycle (or motorcycle for that) was positioned further left in the lane it would have prevented an undertake and the moton would have powered by on your right if anywhere and ended up looking like, well - a moton! That stupid undertake could have had you knocked into oncoming traffic if it had connected.

I know this will not be popular with some, but it is meant to be constructive. Glad you're ok.

 

[GrasB]

No it's not, if I was turning left it would be a radical lane position but I'm not - I'm going straight on.

You're effectively moving through 45 degrees compared to the natural & typical line that motorists take, remember we have evidence to show that very few motorist take the line you indicate, there is no other way to describe a lane change like that besides radical. No "but I'm only changing lanes" you are effectively moving 45 degrees from the natural line of the traffic.

Zippy, in this situation, given it's a single lane exit with a wide bell mouth, I'd reverse the high-way codes positioning. I'd keep more to the offside & signal left giving my self plenty of space for someone to commit to an undertake & still leave me an exit. I've also still got my backup option of going round the roundabout & trying again if all else fails. IMO an undertake in this situation is actually preferable to an overtake as it leaves the cyclist with more exit options & trailing motorists a better view of the unfolding interaction between you & the vehicle behind. At this point road users to the left are irrelevant as the undertaking vehicle is covering their entrance to the roundabout.

 

[Zippy]

I accept your POV GrasB, however I think the reason why the OP got beeped at was because the driver undertaking was expecting the cyclist to be on the inside of the vehicle for a conventional overtake.

You would have to be going a fair pace to compete with/merge in turn with other road users if coming off the rab offside and you would need to be an assertive rider with clear signals and strong over shoulder glances to get the message across to drivers that you are about to cross in front to get back to the inside.

This is why I would stay primary around the roundabout and then exit to the inside where motorists are more cycle aware and able to overtake clearly.

Different approaches to the problem; both safe and acceptable if performed assertively.

 

[thomas]

I accept your POV GrasB, however I think the reason why the OP got beeped at was because the driver undertaking was expecting the cyclist to be on the inside of the vehicle for a conventional overtake.

You would have to be going a fair pace to compete with/merge in turn with other road users if coming off the rab offside and you would need to be an assertive rider with clear signals and strong over shoulder glances to get the message across to drivers that you are about to cross in front to get back to the inside.

This is why I would stay primary around the roundabout and then exit to the inside where motorists are more cycle aware and able to overtake clearly.

Different approaches to the problem; both safe and acceptable if performed assertively.

I obviously am, as the driver honked due to my shoulder checks...I hadn't even crossed the line when he did

From all my experiences of the roundabout, no one goes into the outside lane after the left junction, so if I was to move over I'd probably just be open to people to be "overtaking" to the exit....

I'd agree with Grasb....I'd rather be in the situation to go around the roundabout again, rather than overtaken on it.