Idiots on bikes

[Justinslow]

WOW!...i'm in agreement with you...who'd have thought it

Yes, me too...
Remember my OP was all about "transitional periods" dark to light, in this case not darkness, not full day light, so would it be a conclusion to @mickle post that if the cyclist had got any of the stuff he uses then he would have been more visible?

 

[Justinslow]

@User9609 I like your lights for what it's worth
A while back I was sitting in as ASL, stopped at red lights. It was a dull day, but still, it was broad daylight, with a light rain drizzle.
As it were I was returning from a cycling job, so, of course, lights on, maximum hi-viz. I have the habit of turning and engaging the driver's attention if there's one behind me. There was no one behind. Then a driver arrived and drove into me!
While I agree completely that we must have lights and/or reflectives (simple hi-viz in an urban environment does not stand out ime) I am also convinced that it's not enough to save us from inattentive drivers.
We take our lives in our hands mixing with motorized traffic.

Agree, nothing will help you if there is a "bell end" about and you are sharing the road with him/her, oh look we have come back to the OP.

 

[theclaud]

nothing will help you if there is a "bell end" about and you are sharing the road with him

Looks like that might be the case...

like the bloke who stepped out 30m from my car when i was going along a 40mph in the car on an unlit lane near my house...i slammed on the anchors ,i stopped and shouted"WHAT THE F*** WAS THAT?"..then realising it was a copper lowered my tone...but he did have a scotchlite strip jacket...never saw none of that...i just reacted to a dark figure stepping out....he apologised saying he didn't see me coming...how?...i don't know...how you can't see headlights on a pitch black road is beyond me.

 

[oldstrath]

Agree, nothing will help you if there is a "bell end" about and you are sharing the road with him/her, oh look we have come back to the OP.

No, nothing will help you if there is an inattentive feckwit with a motor vehicle. Even if I, with my 95kg of rugby player frame, ride into you on my pushbike, you'd be extrordinarily unlucky to suffer major injury. That, in summary, is why I care about inattentive feckwits in cars, and really couldn't give a flying fox about (equally idiot ) ninja cyclists.

 

[Justinslow]

No, nothing will help you if there is an inattentive feckwit with a motor vehicle. Even if I, with my 95kg of rugby player frame, ride into you on my pushbike, you'd be extrordinarily unlucky to suffer major injury. That, in summary, is why I care about inattentive feckwits in cars, and really couldn't give a flying fox about (equally idiot ) ninja cyclists.

Well apart from a helmet...............

 

[Justinslow]

Or, alternatively, had everyone else turned their lights off after sunrise, he wouldn't have been so hard to see.

Then we'd all be "bell ends".

 

[ufkacbln]

The Hiviz on emergency vehicles along with blue lights certainly make them visible.....

Yet they still get hit on a regular basis!

Hardly a realistic example for the efficacy?

 

[earlestownflya]

another pet hate of mine...drivers using headlights when sidelights would suffice..certainly dangerous to the cyclist....as a drivers vision is impaired.. especially to the side of the road....

 

[mickle]

Yes, me too...
Remember my OP was all about "transitional periods" dark to light, in this case not darkness, not full day light, so would it be a conclusion to @mickle post that if the cyclist had got any of the stuff he uses then he would have been more visible?

Only if the conditions were suitable. ie ; if relatively high levels of UV light made the flouro stand out, or if the 'idiot' in question was being illuminated by reflected light. It's highly feasible that to anyone shining a light at the 'idiot' he was lit up like my neighbour's annual front yard nativity scene. A sight invisible to the OP because his lamp just wasn't pointing in the right direction.

 

[Justinslow]

No.

I think you're confusing sunrise and dark dull conditions, the lights all the motorists were using that morning (including myself) were not to see where they were going but to make themselves more visible to others, do you actually do much driving?

 

[Justinslow]

Only if the conditions were suitable. ie ; if relatively high levels of UV light made the flouro stand out, or if the 'idiot' in question was being illuminated by reflected light. It's highly feasible that to anyone shining a light at the 'idiot' he was lit up like my neighbour's annual front yard nativity scene. A sight invisible to the OP because his lamp just wasn't pointing in the right direction.

I think you're confusing sunrise and dark dull conditions, the lights all the motorists were using that morning (including myself) were not to see where they were going but to make themselves more visible to others, do you actually do much driving?

 

[ufkacbln]

Or is it because they cant see them?
Maybe just maybe the farmer/owner just wants to try to protect his animals from getting squashed.

If you had read the posts you would know the farmers just want drivers to drive at a reasonable speed and take care!

Even though that seems anathema to some

Yet all the emergency services have it emblazoned across their vehicles, its used on clothing across the construction industry and manufacturing, why? Could it possibly be that these people are easier to see in ALL conditions? Yet for cyclists according to the "usual suspects" on here anything remotely brightly coloured is not common sense as the onus is on the motorist to see us?

A superb argument for vehicles to be done up in HiViz - especially given that 75 % of all accidents have the vehicle a few feet in front at the time!
... perhaps the lack of HiViz on these vehicles explains why they are not being seen?

Who is responsible in these shunts?

The driver in front for lack of a HiViz vehicle or the one behind for npt seeing it?

 

[Justinslow]

The Hiviz on emergency vehicles along with blue lights certainly make them visible.....

Yet they still get hit on a regular basis!

Hardly a realistic example for the efficacy?

Yes for probably many reasons, but I guess speed maybe mostly to blame? Let's restrict emergency vehicles speed shall we, no I don't think so........

 

[ufkacbln]

Why is it some cyclists smash into the back of parked cars in broad day light?

Ahhh... you are grasping the point at last!

Because of inattentiveness, a failure to make proper observations and react accordingly, like many motorists

 

[Justinslow]

Yes, and in doing so they were making life more dangerous for all non lit road users. Do you actually do much looking?

No Ady old pal I drive a white van remember, I'm a suicidal Kamakazi speed freak or whatever Glen called it a while ago
(Disclaimer, obviously I'm not, totally clean license in nearly 30 years of driving and motorcycling, not even a speed ticket)