Idiots stopping in ASL boxes.

[dodgy]

I doubt it is. Most novices I've seen lately, and there are a lot of them, seem to pull up the left of the road and become a pedestrian to cross over to where they were trying to get to then remount.

 

[figbat]

Is this a back-down?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Have you removed the video now because your story has been picked apart?

 

[Racing roadkill]

Please explain this. In the frame below we can see the car’s number plate, so your camera is in front of the car. Ergo your helmet and by extension your head is in front of the car. Assuming you ride a conventional (12 grand) bike in a conventional position this would put your front wheel some way further up the road, meaning that all of you and a good, if not total, portion of your bike is in front of the car. As we know, the car is stopped at the ASL (we can just see the corner of it by the car’s bumper), ergo you and your bike are past the ASL.

Oh, one final thing (channeling Columbo). Can you see what colour traffic light is lit?

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Well you’ve made loads of incorrect assumptions there. This was my old Hybrid for starters. You also clearly misunderstand false perspective, caused by relative positioning of camera and subject, at the strange angle caused by my neck position to get the look at the driver, and the fact I’m some way to the side of the car. So far you’re wrong 2 times. I’m actually stopped on the line momentarily there, so you’re wrong 3 times now.

This is me in a track stand looking up ( stationary, with my back wheel on the line in a track stand) as you can see the lights are changing, “channeling my inner Columbo” can you see what colour the lights are?

and this is when I start moving ( to the left ) “channelling my Inner columbo” can you see what colour the light is?

 

[Racing roadkill]

Is this a back-down?

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No, it’s making space on my crappy free account.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

This is me in a track stand looking up ( stationary, with my back wheel on the line

So you do accept that you illegally crossed the stop line with the front of your vehicle while the light was red?

 

[Drago]

Is the false perspective also responsible for the apparent speed and lack of observation in the door zone?

 

[Racing roadkill]

The worst thing about ASL's is the access. In this case it's terrible, which makes speeding along the door zone (or the death zone in American parlance) a dicey proposition. To do so at that speed while staring steadfastly dead ahead is not something I'd recommend for anyone who wants to avoid an ambulance.

You do have to keep your eyes peeled ( looking for indicators, and front wheel positions ) and listen to what the cars engines are doing. However, it’s better to give anyone who is looking in their mirrors, no doubt about your intentions, and to pass them quickly than to mince up the side slowly, and give them any doubt about it. It’s called being alert and assertive. But I do agree with your point about access to ASLs

 

[Racing roadkill]

Is the false perspective also responsible for the apparent speed and lack of observation in the door zone?

My eyes are moving, I don’t need to move my head to look at what I need to be looking at.

 

[I like Skol]

At around 10s you can actually see RR looking back and the car's grill is in shot, as well as possibly the corner of the ASL

Please explain this. In the frame below we can see the car’s number plate, so your camera is in front of the car. Ergo your helmet and by extension your head is in front of the car. Assuming you ride a conventional (12 grand) bike in a conventional position this would put your front wheel some way further up the road, meaning that all of you and a good, if not total, portion of your bike is in front of the car. As we know, the car is stopped at the ASL (we can just see the corner of it by the car’s bumper), ergo you and your bike are past the ASL.

Oh, one final thing (channeling Columbo). Can you see what colour traffic light is lit?

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Morning folks. Thanks @figbat for posting that clip from 10s I had referred to earlier in the thread. This is the inarguable evidence that despite all RRs delusional assertions and out of sequence, un-timemarked snips of pretty green lights, he had without doubt passed the stop line intentionally while the lights were red.
I am not holding my breath, but it would be jolly decent of RR if following his review of the footage he would come back and acknowledge that he had got the sequence of events mixed up and we were right.....

Unless, of course, he can post a picture of the light on green that includes the timemark and this is from before 10s?

EDIT: I see while I was typing RR has posted more meaningless pictures of traffic lights that exclude the timemark, and has also apparently deleted the video.

 

[classic33]

My eyes are moving, I don’t need to move my head to look at what I need to be looking at.

How do you see what's behind you, and what way it intends to go, if you don't move your head?

 

[figbat]

So you do accept that you illegally crossed the stop line with the front of your vehicle while the light was red?

Yep. And now playing the "false perspective" defence. There is no false perspective. The only way to see the front of a car is to be in front of it. If you were on your hybrid this will have a more upright riding position than a drop-barred bike. At the point of the video I captured you are still moving, so there's no way your head will be above or in front of the front wheel. You have even admitted to being ahead of the line, working on some false belief that keeping your rear wheel on the line somehow makes it OK. It isn't.

You have vilified a driver for crossing their stop line, then you have done EXACTLY the same thing yourself. And you can't see the hypocrisy. You have also laid claim to some righteous need to be at the front, ahead of the lead car for the sake of being seen whereas many have pointed out that if you can't be safely seen by the lead car then don't go alongside it - stay behind it where you can monitor what they will do and the car behind them has a good view of you. Win all round. Yes, the car shouldn't be there but you work with what you have in front of you, not with what should be happening.

 

[Racing roadkill]

I don't know why we're even arguing. The fact is he's admitted it.

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And in the same way that
One vehicle being allegedly illegally positioned is no excuse to take up an illegal position oneself. The position of the car was apparent from way back so there was no reason to get in front of it and op wasn't forced into that position.

It’s a good job my position wasn’t illegal then wasn’t it?
For avoidance of doubt.

stopped in a track stand, rear wheel on the line, which I was forced into by the cars position in the ASL, in order to ensure the driver could see me.

as I moved and turned the left ( the light is green ).

 

[glasgowcyclist]

which I was forced into

You were not forced.

 

[figbat]

stopped in a track stand, rear wheel on the line, which I was forced into by the cars position in the ASL, in order to ensure the driver could see me.

No, you weren't "forced" to do anything. You chose to go to the front. You could see as you approached how the cars were positioned - there is no imperative to be at the front and certainly no excuse to run a red light just to be seen.