Is this rider in the doorzone?

[BentMikey]

Having a bit of a debate on this one. If you've not already seen this, check out the LAB video for the door zone:

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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQ7aID1jHs[/media]



Now is this rider in the doorzone?

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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJntJWtCm8[/media]


Feel free to comment on whether you'd ride the same way in that situation, whether it was an event/non event, and what you'd do differently if anything.

 

[Hip Priest]

I think he is. I'd probably be in primary, to avoid getting doored and to stop attempted passes.

 

[PK99]

Now is this rider in the doorzone?



Feel free to comment on whether you'd ride the same way in that situation, whether it was an event/non event, and what you'd do differently if anything.

Yes.

1 he is close enough to the cars to be in trouble if a door is even partly opened

2 he is inviting a close pass by leaving just enough room for a car to pass - as the driver duly demonstrated. If he did not think there was enough room for him and a car he should have prevented the pass by riding in primary

 

[colly]

In the door zone when riding at speed, stays there when slowing for the lights which really is not so much of a problem at the slower speed because if you are paying attention the you can see if anyone is sitting in the offside seats.

As for the driver left hooking, well the rider either invites or anticipates the move by setting off very slowly, sort of waiting for the car to come round.
It doesn't excuse the bad driving of course but from the clip it seems it's more a problem for the peds trying to cross the road.

 

[gaz]

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Yes.

What I'd of done. Quick check when the lights start to go red, move over if safe, wait till the lights go green, clear of the cars then another check, move back over if safe. Maybe a quick thank you for the traffic behind if it warrants it when they overtake.
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^ This!

In the door zone when riding at speed, stays there when slowing for the lights which really is not so much of a problem at the slower speed because if you are paying attention the you can see if anyone is sitting in the offside seats....

The dangers of cycling in the door zone are no different at low speeds to high speeds. Just because you can see someone, doesn't mean that a. they can see you b. they have seen you c. you can't see if they are about to open the door.
Stay out of the door zone when ever possible!

 

[400bhp]

[QUOTE 1592565"]
Yes.

What I'd HAVE done. Quick check when the lights start to go red, move over if safe, wait till the lights go green, clear of the cars then another check, move back over if safe. Maybe a quick thank you for the traffic behind if it warrants it when they overtake.
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They are in the door zone, but not going particularly fast and clearly aware of their surroundings so on balance, it's a safe position to take.

 

[400bhp]

^ This!



The dangers of cycling in the door zone are no different at low speeds to high speeds. J

Of course they are different.

The risk of serious injury clearly increases with the speed you are travelling.

 

[Buddfox]

I'd have been in the middle of the lane here - with apologies to any cars behind that thought they were being held up, but safety comes first. The cyclist also seems to slow down a bit too much - frankly the lights had turned green and I'd have been looking to get ahead to the lights before the pedestrians got to the edge of the road and crossed (of course leaving the opportunity to brake if they did decide to cross despite the oncoming traffic).

 

[gaz]

Of course they are different.

The risk of serious injury clearly increases with the speed you are travelling.

The danger isn't different though is it. A door opens in front of you and you have to react. Same at low speed, same at high speed.
The level of risk for potential injury increases as the speed increases.

 

[400bhp]

Right-so when you mean "danger", you meant frequency of accidents rather than frequency AND severity.

There is probably a marginal correlation between frequency and speed, I'll give you that.

By level of risk for potential injury increasing, I take it you mean severity. Yes and the severity clearly increases as speed increases.

So, overall, the risk is lower when cycling at lower speed.

 

[Origamist]

It looks like the cyclist clocked the driver coming from behind, continued to ride slowly and let him past, but perhaps did not expect the left turn? In doing so, he was probably within the door zone, but I suspect (given his speed) he could see into the cars and check for occupants. The real problem for the cyclist in this position is not an impact with the door, but the door knocking him (or forcing him to swerve) into the path of the car coming from behind.

This is a bit of a distraction though - it was bad driving as the pedestrians were already crossing and the driver should have waited.

 

[gaz]

Right-so when you mean "danger", you meant frequency of accidents rather than frequency AND severity.

No. I mean the potential for a door to open in your path, which is not determined by your speed.

 

[cloggsy]

Deffo!

 

[400bhp]

No. I mean the potential for a door to open in your path, which is not determined by your speed.

You're confused.

"Risk" is determined by frequency and severity.

You are talking about the frequency of an accident occuring, which is not changing because of the cyclists speed.

In this case the type of accident is being doored.

 

[gaz]

You're confused.

"Risk" is determined by frequency and severity.

You are talking about the frequency of an accident occuring, which is not changing because of the cyclists speed.

In this case the type of accident is being doored.

You are confused, you brought up risk, not me.


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