It's the Gubmint innit? Rich people, yeah....

[Angelfishsolo]

Excessive discipline creates the problem it tries to solve: it encourages subordination.

Well we have a classic case study for the softly, softly approach going on right now. Do you think it has worked? The 70's was the last decade of real discipline.

 

[Red Light]

Well we have a classic case study for the softly, softly approach going on right now. Do you think it has worked? The 70's was the last decade of real discipline.

Hmmmm.

Chapeltown Riot, 1975
Notting Hill Carnival Riot 1976
Southall Riot 1979
Brixton Riot 1981

 

[Vapin' Joe]

Excessive discipline creates the problem it tries to solve: it encourages subordination.

Excessive discipline no doubt does.

But no discipline at all creates hell for everyone.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Hmmmm.

Chapeltown Riot, 1975
Notting Hill Carnival Riot 1976
Southall Riot 1979
Brixton Riot 1981

And your point?

 

[007fair]

Its Lily Allen's fault In fact I am sure she was one of the girls speaking

 

[Chilternrides]

Couldn't help thinking that the reporter sounded like she'd had a glass or two herself!

Very disappointing to listen to though.

 

[Kirstie]

Excessive discipline no doubt does.

But no discipline at all creates hell for everyone.

Yes I agree. I hope that they manage to process all those they arrested quickly so that they visibly and publicly get the criminal records they deserve, within the remit of the criminal justice system. This is mindless, as that scintillating interview in the OP quite aptly demonstrates.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

And your point?

Isn't it obvious? You claimed that the 1970s was the last decade of 'real discipline', yet there seems to have been plenty of disorder. Ergo, if you stand by your assertion about the 70s, there doesn't appear to be an obvious link between 'real discipline' and social order.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Isn't it obvious? You claimed that the 1970s was the last decade of 'real discipline', yet there seems to have been plenty of disorder. Ergo, if you stand by your assertion about the 70s, there doesn't appear to be an obvious link between 'real discipline' and social order.

Four events in 30+ years. Wouldn't statastitions call those blips?

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Four events in 30+ years. Wouldn't statastitions call those blips?

Err, 4 'events' less than 10 years - and those are only some of the best known ones BTW.

And you can't just dismiss things as 'blips' when they don't suit your argument.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Err, 4 'events' less than 10 years - and those are only some of the best known ones BTW.

And you can't just dismiss things as 'blips' when they don't suit your argument.

From mid 70's to 2011 = 30+ years
I didn't dismiss anything I stated that is what statastitions would do.

 

[dellzeqq]

And your point?

......is a good one.

I still think these are shopping sprees rather than riots. And I was amused by Hazel Blears going on about 'criminality'.

On a scale of 1 to 100 where would you place the ill effects of the riots - invasion of Iraq being 100, building of the M25 being 10 and parliamentary expenses being 1?

 

[Kirstie]

The 1970s - 1980s were also a decade of racist police brutality and corruption IIRC

 

[Angelfishsolo]

......is a good one.

I still think these are shopping sprees rather than riots. And I was amused by Hazel Blears going on about 'criminality'.

On a scale of 1 to 100 where would you place the ill effects of the riots - invasion of Iraq being 100, building of the M25 being 10 and parliamentary expenses being 1?

Ask the small business owners but certainly higher than the M25.

 

[User482]

The 1970s - 1980s were also a decade of racist police brutality and corruption IIRC

It's probably 'cos they were caned at school.