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[Trevor_P]

Rather than calling them rules, I'd request that those accompanying me and children wear a helmet because I'm promoting safety. The effectiveness of helmets is arguable, however if someone were hitting me with a hammer, I'd rather be wearing one than not.

 

[Profpointy]

Rather than calling them rules, I'd request that those accompanying me and children wear a helmet because I'm promoting safety. The effectiveness of helmets is arguable, however if someone were hitting me with a hammer, I'd rather be wearing one than not.

oh dear oh dear.
What about missing your unhelmeted head by an inch, or hitting your helmet?

 

[up hill struggle]

totally agree. I felt the original post was more ive got good news & do u think this is fair.

but 2 topics that seem to touch a nerve with cyclist are helmets & helmet cams. Your almost guaranteed to get someone's back up by even thinking about either of those.

 

[up hill struggle]

there will also be those who argue that wearing a helmet will increase the chances of being struck on the head simply because it makes the head area bigger

oh dear oh dear.
What about missing your unhelmeted head by an inch, or hitting your helmet?

thanks for that, I knew at some point somebody would prove me right about what I said in my quoted post.

and since we have reached the helmet roundabout where we are just going to keep going round in circles without anything useful being added im gonna take the approaching exit & say goodbye.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Rather than calling them rules, I'd request that those accompanying me and children wear a helmet because I'm promoting safety. The effectiveness of helmets is arguable, however if someone were hitting me with a hammer, I'd rather be wearing one than not.

The problem with your statement above is unfortunately that wearing a helmet does nothing to promote safety at all. That's the nub of most helmet debates here and elsewhere.
In fact you could argue that it promotes cycling as being a dangerous activity which it isn't.

 

[Profpointy]

totally agree. I felt the original post was more ive got good news & do u think this is fair.

but 2 topics that seem to touch a nerve with cyclist are helmets & helmet cams. Your almost guaranteed to get someone's back up by even thinking about either of those.

thanks for that, I knew at some point somebody would prove me right about what I said in my quoted post.

and since we have reached the helmet roundabout where we are just going to keep going round in circles without anything useful being added im gonna take the approaching exit & say goodbye.

It's not a smart-arse argument - your head is twice as big after all.

That's why I'm swayed by the stats from Australia / Ontario etc, rather than the various contrived thought-experiments - ever one of which has an equal but opposite argument as above.

 

[Saluki]

I think that if your pals are going to ride with your and your kids and that you want the adults to set an example then that's fine and dandy. (I would be the slowest rider in your peleton). Your friends can go and ride by themselves if they don't like your peleton rules.

 

[Markymark]

...are anyone this vocal to sportives and clubs who have similar rules?

 

[ianrauk]

...are anyone this vocal to sportives and clubs who have similar rules?

I refuse to join a club, do any sportive or any ride for that matter that has a plastic hat rule.

 

[Profpointy]

...are anyone this vocal to sportives and clubs who have similar rules?

Yes basically.

But whilst there's a libertarian argument that "my ride, my rules", it's pretty extreme, rude even, to insist that your friends comply with your political / religious rules whilst out on what might be a sociable bimble. It really isn't the same as saying no-smoking in my house or whatever.

 

[Markymark]

I refuse to join a club, do any sportive or any ride for that matter that has a plastic hat rule.

...that's a shame as I think you're missing out but I admire your principals.

 

[ianrauk]

...that's a shame as I think you're missing out but I admire your principals.

Nope, not missing out on anything at all.
I am a member of a club that doesn't have a plastic hat rule and I'm not one for sportives anyway. Audax and rides with friends do for me.

 

[Fab Foodie]

...are anyone this vocal to sportives and clubs who have similar rules?

Yes. I don't ride with the other local club because of the plastic hat rule.
I don't ride 'events' with plastic hat rules.
Like ianrauk, I'm really not missing out on anything.

 

[Markymark]

Yes. I don't ride with the other local club because of the plastic hat rule.
I don't ride 'events' with plastic hat rules.
Like ianrauk, I'm really not missing out on anything.

I get about not riding with them, but when anyone posts re thier events, do you start giving them a hard time and debating with them about their rules?

 

[Fab Foodie]

I get about not riding with them, but when anyone posts re thier events, do you start giving them a hard time and debating with them about their rules?

Depends on the context.