Jumping red lights

[Twigman]

I'm back - I'm so angry at you morons I just had to ask:

Why do you jump red lights?



Is it because your journey is more important than the other road users?
Is it because you believe you are superior to other road users?
Is it because you disrespect other road users?
Is it because you are just plain selfish?
Is it because you can't get your feet out of your pedals?
Is it because you don't want to have to accelerate from standing when the lights turn green?
Is it because you believe that any accident involving a cyclist and a motor vehicle is always the other guy's fault?


Enlighten me - why would anyone in their right mind jump red lights?

 

[Red Light]

As does stopping at red lights.

Traffic queues rarely impede me on my bike in London. I do stop at red lights though.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Traffic queues rarely impede me on my bike in London. I do stop at red lights though.

So how does your statement

2. All that slowing down does is delays your getting to the back of the next traffic queue.

tally (especially as m'bike can filter in the same way as cycles)?

 

[stowie]

Ok right. The professor has once again spoken. I had better . No hang on he's wrong. The risks you talk about are higher level risks. The basic Fight or flight risks involved in road warfare usage are pretty good unless judgement is impaired though lack of experience or chemical interference.

Calculation of risk by humans is generally poor. If one decides to do 40mph instead of 30mph then there isn't an innate part of the brain that instantly can factor in the risk based upon the squared law describing the relationship between Kinetic Energy and velocity. All that happens is that human does 40mph once down the road without incident and then this activity becomes "safer" in their mind so does it again, which reinforces the "safeness".

Our risk analysis seems to be based upon experience in this way. Which may be a good way to determine if the large cat with pointy teeth may want to eat us, but isn't so great at determining risk in much more complex environments.

One only has to consider how humans calculate probability in general to realise that our ability to ascertain risk isn't inherently great.

 

[rowan 46]

With me its a mixture of 4, 5, and 6 I always stop at traffic lights its just empty pelican crossings I very occasionally ignore, I am not defending it to you I'm just saying I have been known to do it

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Calculation of risk by humans is generally poor. If one decides to do 40mph instead of 30mph then there isn't an innate part of the brain that instantly can factor in the risk based upon the squared law describing the relationship between Kinetic Energy and velocity. All that happens is that human does 40mph once down the road without incident and then this activity becomes "safer" in their mind so does it again, which reinforces the "safeness".

Our risk analysis seems to be based upon experience in this way. Which may be a good way to determine if the large cat with pointy teeth may want to eat us, but isn't so great at determining risk in much more complex environments.

One only has to consider how humans calculate probability in general to realise that our ability to ascertain risk isn't inherently great.

I would argue that whilst those doing 40 in a 30 are still alive their ability to calculate self preservation is very good. When it comes to risk involving others then we are not so good.

 

[Twigman]

How many of you are adequately insured so that in the (what seems to be likely) event that you do cause an accident by RLJing, you would be able to cover the injury claim from that paraplegic motorcyclist that came off and hit the lampost without paying for it for the rest of your days after he's sued you and won?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Pulls up chair and waits for statistical proof that RLJing is safe on a bicycle.

 

[rowan 46]

Pulls up chair and waits for statistical proof that RLJing is safe on a bicycle.

That's your 3rd snide comment about people with proof , what's your problem? If somebody brings evidence rather than just opinion it should be a cause for celebration not denigration.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

That's your 3rd snide comment about people with proof , what's your problem? If somebody brings evidence rather than just opinion it should be a cause for celebration not denigration.

Evidence to support illegal activity does not make said activity right. Also there is no such thing as proof only proofs which stand until overturned.

 

[Red Light]

I'm back - I'm so angry at you morons I just had to ask:

Why do you jump red lights?

I don't.

But unlike you I've never hit a pedestrian with any vehicle, I recognise that RLJing is done by all transport modes to about the same degree with cyclists representing the lowest risk to others of any of them and I don't see it as my duty to declare cycle RLJing a capital offence and carry out the execution of offenders getting in my way.

As Dan said London is full of people doing all sorts of stupid and illegal things in all sorts of vehicles. If you can't handle that safely then don't ride in London.

 

[Red Light]

So how does your statement tally (especially as m'bike can filter in the same way as cycles)?

They can't, especially big bikes like Fireblades. The gaps are generally too narrow to get a motorbike through and they are too unmanoeuvrable to thread through the traffic (which is where small wheeled Bromptons are so good). You often see them though stopped at a gap they can't get through and blocking cyclists who can.

 

[rowan 46]

Evidence to support illegal activity does not make said activity right. Also there is no such thing as proof only proofs which stand until overturned.

Redlight never said his evidence made it right and has also said he didn't do it. I have admitted to it and admit I'm a very naughty boy so why are you being so snide to the person with evidence rather than to me who just has dangerous opinions

 

[Red Light]

Pulls up chair and waits for statistical proof that RLJing is safe on a bicycle.

Do keep up at the back AFS - I gave it way back up there ^ in the thread.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Redlight never said his evidence made it right and has also said he didn't do it. I have admitted to it and admit I'm a very naughty boy so why are you being so snide to the person with evidence rather than to me who just has dangerous opinions

I am being snide as I am yet to see RL speak from personal experience.