Jumping red lights

[Twigman]

I find it quite refreshing that somebody gives independant evidence for an assertion. Being one myself who never lets a good fact get in the way of an opinion, I am grateful that someone has taken the trouble to get some facts.

Your statistician is quoting 'facts' without linking his source.
That does not a fact make.

He has no idea how many near misses occur as a result of RLJs.
It is a daily occurence in London.

If the motorists taking avoiding action (and in so doing often swerving into the path of oncoming traffic thus endangering even more lives) didn't take that avoiding action, the stats would be even grimmer reading.

 

[Jezston]

Twigman - I don't like RLJers either, but from the things you've said here, your complete lack of compassion for an injured and unconcious pedestrian that you put in hospital and the fact you care more for the £500 damage to your bike than someone's life, suggests that you are a selfish and dangerous person who really should be banned from the road because of your ignorance.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I always thought it was coz they couldn't get out of their SPD-SL pedals.

God forbid they should have to stop start like everyone else.......I suppose that makes putting all road users' lives at risk worth it.

They are just selfish dangerous people who really should be banned from the road coz of their ignorance.

The CTC published a report showing how much extra energy it took stopping and starting at lights and IIRC called for RLJ'ing to me made legal in some situations. I am sure RL will have the report link.

 

[Twigman]

Twigman - I don't like RLJers either, but from the things you've said here, your complete lack of compassion for an injured and unconcious pedestrian that you put in hospital and the fact you care more for the £500 damage to your bike than someone's life, suggests that you are a selfish and dangerous person who really should be banned from the road because of your ignorance.

She put herself in hospital.
I didn't put her in hospital.

I'm not going to cry over some idiot that almost kills herself by stepping out in front of me.

Nothing I could do about it so why should I worry?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Twigman - I don't like RLJers either, but from the things you've said here, your complete lack of compassion for an injured and unconcious pedestrian that you put in hospital and the fact you care more for the £500 damage to your bike than someone's life, suggests that you are a selfish and dangerous person who really should be banned from the road because of your ignorance.

Do you not think that the RLJers are ignorant and selfish as well?

 

[Twigman]

The CTC published a report showing how much extra energy it took stopping and starting at lights and IIRC called for RLJ'ing to me made legal in some situations.

I assume that was thrown out as a preposterous idea by those that legislate?

If not then common sense has been thrown out the window.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I assume that was thrown out as a preposterous idea by those that legislate?

If not then common sense has been thrown out the window.

I don't know what happened to it TBH. Awaiting Red Light to illuminate us all.

 

[rowan 46]

There us nothing wrong with "facts". However if I had to choose between facts or personal experience I would take the latter every time. eg BMW's are reported as being one of the best drivers cars on the market. Having driven several of them (3 through top end 5 series) I do not like then in the slightest. In my experience the equivalent Audi is a much better car.

don't mean to be picky but , BMW best drivers car on the market is an opinion not fact. A fact is produced from empirical research and does not involve opinion. If Bmw was the best drivers car on the market you would be wrong in your assertion that it wasn't. The fact that you have found it not to be so proves the statement was opinion not fact.

 

[Red Light]

I always thought it was coz they couldn't get out of their SPD-SL pedals.

God forbid they should have to stop start like everyone else.......I suppose that makes putting all road users' lives at risk worth it.

They are just selfish dangerous people who really should be banned from the road coz of their ignorance.

So how many road users have cyclists have killed in London over say the past ten years just to put it in perspective?

And why are there half as many motorcyclists as cyclists on London's roads but over twice as many motorcyclist deaths?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

don't mean to be picky but , BMW best drivers car on the market is an opinion not fact. A fact is produced from empirical research and does not involve opinion. If Bmw was the best drivers car on the market you would be wrong in your assertion that it wasn't. The fact that you have found it not to be so proves the statement was opinion not fact.

OK It is fact according to every motoring journalist that I am aware of. IMHO it shows that facts are only facts until they are disproven.

 

[Dan B]

Nothing I could do about it so why should I worry?

Well, blatantly that's not true as you could have slowed down on the approach to the junction.


P.S. the fact that you were "exonerated" by a policeman doesn't mean that a court would have come to the same conclusion.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Well, blatantly that's not true as you could have slowed down on the approach to the junction.


P.S. the fact that you were "exonerated" by a policeman doesn't mean that a court would have come to the same conclusion.

So do you slow down as you pass through every green light you see?

 

[rowan 46]

OK It is fact according to every motoring journalist that I am aware of. IMHO it shows that facts are only facts until they are disproven.

that's nearer the mark. That's the problem with statistics that although the data is factual the conclusions sometimes are not.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

that's nearer the mark. That's the problem with statistics that although the data is factual the conclusions sometimes are not.

Stats tell you what you want them to tell you. That is why there are so many data manipulation / moulding methods.

 

[Red Light]

I assume that was thrown out as a preposterous idea by those that legislate?

If not then common sense has been thrown out the window.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ld-be-allowed-to-run-red-lights-says-boris.do

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1695668.ece

The US has successfully used Right on a Light for decades without problems as have cyclists in the Netherlands.

Pedestrians successfully cross on red lights all the time without problems.

As Einstein said, "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"