Let's talk diesel sensibly.

[User482]

I am not whining, just expressing my personal opinion. Take it or leave it.

We've done this before, and people have already said why you're wrong. Are you going to keep on until you get the answer you'd like?

 

[Slick]

That's a financial thing...

Which is at the heart of every decision we make.

 

[User482]

Which is at the heart of every decision we make.

That may or may not be the case, but we weren't talking about money.

 

[Piemaster]

We all polute when we drive, and yes the Goverment use it as a excuse to stealth tax us, but what they do not do is offer enough insentive to use alternative modes of transport.

There is a bit of incentives - I'll be having a charging point for the car installed - theres up to £500 grant for it. And the car would have been subsidised when it was bought in the first place. Cycle to work scheme too.

 

[Drago]

That's true only if you do a very low mileage.

It also depends on the vehicle.

Toyota rape the planet for the chemicals needed to make Pious batteries, some of the most environmentally unpleasant extraction techniques in existence. By the time they've done that, shipped them from Japan to the other side of the planet and parked them in the showroom floor they've accounted for more emissions that many regular cars through build, a typical lifetime of use, and dismantling/recycling. Once 100,000 miles have passed you're far better, in environmental terms, to carry on driving a petrol Peugeot 107 than buy a new Pious. Indeed, having owned a Pious and 3 x 107s in succession you're using less fuel in the 107 to start with, so to carry on using it freely would still be less polluting than a new Pious.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

The government and other official bodies want us to believe that diesel cars are bad for our health. Well, do they ever mention buses, lorries and most of all the big container ships that travel the world 24 hours a day? Their paranoïa is deep on cars but let's have a look at facts regarding the 15 biggest ships in the world . Those 15 ships pollute as much as 760 million cars! They use 10 000 tons of low quality fuel for a return journey from Asia to Europe. Their fuel produces 2000 times more sulphur than all the cars in America and Europe. And this is just scratching the surface about those giants.
So, after reading this, I don't feel any guilt about driving my diesel car 10 000 miles a year and doing 65 mpg.
Of course, those ships are part of the global economy and provide us with all those lovely goods we buy in the shops so it makes it alright to heavily pollute our skies.
Once again, the politicians and do-gooders are just a bunch of hypocrites.

I'm confused.

This is the OP in a thread entitled "Let's talk diesel sensibly"? What the actual.... It reads like the sort of shouty whataboutery that people came out with when the authorities decided to remove the lead in petrol.

So let's be sensible... anyone done any studies into the long-term adverse health effects of post combustion diesel particulates on lung disease in urban populations?

 

[Vapin' Joe]

In the next few years I can see both VED and fuel duty on diesel rising considerably, enough to at least wipe out any savings over petrol. I ran diesel for years when it was being heralded as the safe way to go, I wouldn't touch one now.

 

[Levo-Lon]

[QUOTE 4618741, member: 9609"]have they still not changed this utter nonsense of heavily taxing small vans
I have an 08 plate berlingo van and as its a van I have to shell out 230 a year in road tax (bloody cyclists freeloading), if it had windows in the side it would be costing me 30 or 50 quid as it's emission are very low. This daft policy does not encourage people who need vans to buy low pollution.[/QUOTE]

I think bippers. Car vans .stop start type may be 120 a year...but my 1.6 d car is 30 quid as it's 101 kgm or whatever the letters are..the new doblo is 135 kgm...

 

[Levo-Lon]

In the next few years I can see both VED and fuel duty on diesel rising considerably, enough to at least wipe out any savings over petrol. I ran diesel for years when it was being heralded as the safe way to go, I wouldn't touch one now.

But a petrol that can match the torque needs to be either very powerful or very big in cc' s the D engine just beats them hands down...go to Wales in a 84bhp loaded Ibiza..its ridiculous..get out and push almost

 

[Mr Celine]

Sorry, OT. Not a marine engine.
This is a marine engine

The Napier Deltic engine was originally developed, and first used, to power motor torpedo boats.

The big snag with marine use is that it's hard for anyone other than sailors to get near enough to hear them properly.

 

[gavroche]

We've done this before, and people have already said why you're wrong. Are you going to keep on until you get the answer you'd like?

I am not asking for an answer, like I said before, just expressing my own opinion. Whether you agree with me or not, it is entirely up to you, I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[screenman]

[QUOTE 4618741, member: 9609"]have they still not changed this utter nonsense of heavily taxing small vans
I have an 08 plate berlingo van and as its a van I have to shell out 230 a year in road tax (bloody cyclists freeloading), if it had windows in the side it would be costing me 30 or 50 quid as it's emission are very low. This daft policy does not encourage people who need vans to buy low pollution.[/QUOTE]


Road tax, come on your supposed to be a cyclist and know that does not exist,

 

[Drago]

But a petrol that can match the torque needs to be either very powerful or very big in cc' s the D engine just beats them hands down...go to Wales in a 84bhp loaded Ibiza..its ridiculous..get out and push almost

But a diesels power band is the width of a chocolate mouses c ck. Nothing, nothing, everything all at once, nothing.

 

[Slick]

But a diesels power band is the width of a chocolate mouses c ck. Nothing, nothing, everything all at once, nothing.

Not with a twin turbo.

 

[Levo-Lon]

But a diesels power band is the width of a chocolate mouses c ck. Nothing, nothing, everything all at once, nothing.

you lost me there...i know what you mean in the small power but it all happens in 2 k rps.. but a gutless p enging just makes noise