London City Police Clamping Down on RLJs?

[hackbike 666]

Stats Stats Stats,I love it.

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I've already said RLJing cyclists are numpties

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread.

There were 44 deaths involving police pursuits in the year to March
2002.

What about 2008?

 

[parnes]

So we can't prove one way or another and it comes down to humble opinions based on personal experiences.


The figures show that, in London during the period 2001-05:
There were 101 times as many reported pedestrian injuries due to
collisions with motor vehicles than with pedal cycles (there were
34,791 pedestrian injuries involving motor vehicles, compared with 331
involving cycles).


I can't find the stats for drunken violence, but I'm confident it's more than 331 in a year!

 

[mm101]

Have no problem with the police doing this and think it is a good thing. I would like them to be tackling anti-social driving in general. Would like them to start breaking down the notion that speeding is ok and the done thing.

 

[Sprocket Dog]

There were 44 deaths involving police pursuits in the year to March 2002.

That stat, IMO, is worthless. You cannot compare a police pursuit situation with a cyclist involved in an accident.How many miles of police pursuit were there in the year to March 2002? Can we compare that to the amount of miles driven by the average motorist with the amount of accidents by the average motorist?

 

[hackbike 666]

But,but,but we do know there is a problem with the driving in this country?

PEDS aren't lilywhite and do tend to put themselves in hazardous situations no?

Also I do know driving attitudes are different (more agressive road behaviour) based on my cycling in other countries.

 

[Origamist]

Playing devil's advocate, could it be that the CoL police wanted to focus on the specific aspect of dangerous cycling as opposed to cycling which is a perfectly legitimate activity?

Like most police forces they respond to the concerns of the people who make the most noise. Quite frequently a lot of noise is made about dangerous cycling which is probably why they included it.

Yes, but once you preface the activity with the word "dangerous" it's far more likely that it will be of concern to you - after all, that is what the question was asking.

It also reinforces the public perception of cyclists as a threat (it might as well be a portmanteau word - cyclerous).

The media portrayal of cycling is often bad enough (you know, the cycling menace terrorising the populace) but clumsily worded police questionnaires that conflate some activites with danger, and not others, is wrong. Using the word "cyclist" would be more appropriate.

 

[Sprocket Dog]

I can't find the stats for drunken violence, but I'm confident it's more than 331 in a year!

Really? I'm not. I'm well aware of the evils of alcohol, but I really can't see it being higher than 331 for the CoL. Of course, if we were to try this argument for other areas (say local town centres) then I'd be agreeing with you.

 

[parnes]

Really? I'm not. I'm well aware of the evils of alcohol, but I really can't see it being higher than 331 for the CoL.

Sigh:

The 331 figure is all injuries, in any circumstances, involving cyclists in the whole of london.

Violent crime against a person statistics for London over the last year:

174,804

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ne+off+Met's+violent+crime+figures/article.do

Home Office research has found that alcohol is the cause of 44 per cent of violent crime.

Call it 40%.

So it breaks down:

Injuries involving cyclists in all circumstances (pedestrians wandering into the road etc- 331

Injuries involving alcohol- 35,000.

 

[Sprocket Dog]

Really? I'm not. I'm well aware of the evils of alcohol, but I really can't see it being higher than 331 for the CoL.Sigh:The 331 figure is all injuries, in any circumstances, involving cyclists in the whole of london.Violent crime against a person statistics for London over the last year:174,804

Getting exasperated? The original point was concerning the "misdirected" policing of the City of London constabulary, not the Metropolitan constabulary.Of the 331 and 174,804 values you have quoted, what are the actual figures relating to CoL police/crime/incident stats? I have already agreed that outside the CoL drunken violence will acount for more incidents than cycling accidents.

 

[Sprocket Dog]

Acksherly parnes, insterad of you and me wasting bandwith, how would you rather see the CoL police force use their time and energies? I don't live nor work there so I don't what issues the area has to deal with.

 

[parnes]

http://cityoflondonpolice.crimemapper.co.uk/map/city-of-london/

Average violent crime per month- 68.7.

So, injuries involving cyclists, in all circumstances, across the whole of London are 331.

Violent crime accounts for twice that number in the CoL alone.

 

[parnes]

how would you rather see the CoL police force use their time and energies?

We've had 8 cyclists killed by HGVs in London this year. A spot check of HGVs in London found that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM breached road safety law, the driver was uninsured, on a mobile, had fiddled the tacho.

1 in 8 cars in London are uninsured.

Speed limits, ASLs, cycle lanes are regularly flouted.

I see a dozen drivers on mobiles every day.

These should be police priorities, not stupid box-ticking exercises.

Vote me for mayor and I'll sort out policing priorities.

 

[Sprocket Dog]

http://cityoflondonpolice.crimemapper.co.uk/map/city-of-london/

Average violent crime per month- 68.7.

So, injuries involving cyclists, in all circumstances, across the whole of London are 331.

Violent crime accounts for twice that number in the CoL alone.

Apologies, I stand corrected. I'll get back in my box.

 

[parnes]

Well, sorry if I was strident. That's tremendously decent of you and a rare thing here sprocket. You are a lovely person. I love you.

 

[Sprocket Dog]

Vote me for mayor and I'll sort out policing priorities.

If I do vote for you, can you then tell Spearmint Rhino to re-open my tab?