Manchester - Female cyclist pushed into canal by man

[Drago]

From the CRT website:

The Towpath Code​

The code doesnt allow transgressors to be assaulted and end up in the drink.

 

[ktmbiker58]

I might be missing something here but what is the relevance of the above.

It is relevant as its the CRTs code of practice for users of the towpath, cyclist should have stopped in advance and let the pedestrians passed especially given how narrow the path was. Just for information :- Towpaths are not rights of way but permissive routes CRT can and does stop cyclists using various stretches.

 

[Webbo2]

It is relevant as its the CRTs code of practice for users of the towpath, cyclist should have stopped in advance and let the pedestrians passed especially given how narrow the path was. Just for information :- Towpaths are not rights of way but permissive routes CRT can and does stop cyclists using various stretches.

She did appear to stop and the gentleman in question appears to have a dod of the lead. Where does it say that anyone who transgress the code gets shoved in the canal.

 

[ktmbiker58]

She did appear to stop and the gentleman in question appears to have a dod of the lead. Where does it say that anyone who transgress the code gets shoved in the canal.

Dog doesn't need to be on a lead - which I think is a bit daft as many towpaths (certainly around here) are quite narrow - a bit of common sense is needed on shared paths

 

[united4ever]

What is the dialogue exactly:

Him: Slow Down
Her: .......Dog
Him: yeah, you're on a bike you effing idiot

What does she say before dog?

Also, I could they really get a prosecution if he just said, she lost her balance as she tried to squeeze by on the edge. I know it seems almost certain she was pushed given the verbal altercation and his body language but there was no push caught on camera and she would have been squeezing right on the edge given the space available.

It highlights the need for real cycle infrastructure. South Manchester and Salford are making strides but north and east Manchester is miles behind.

 

[wiggydiggy]

It's worth remembering it didn't stop this woman becoming a victim and as yet has not been much use as an aid to detection.

I mean nutters are going to nut, camera or not. But for the investigation its only been a day, and simply having footage would make me feel a lot better if something happened.

 

[fossyant]

South Manchester and Salford are making strides but north and east Manchester is miles behind.

South West Manchester, not Stockport (South) and East. Didsbury and Chorlton have a load of 'infrastructure'

 

[Time Waster]

I would point out that talking about things the cyclist could have done better is a long way from justifying the acts of the guy. That is assuming he did push her and that is an assumption based on her ending up in the canal and saying that was a push that put her there, we wil have to wait to find out what the truth is IF the guy is caught and the police actually do anything.

All I know for certain is I have never had this issue on a towpath but I am 2m tall, male and lived in a north Lancashire town at the time. This is Manchester is it not? Say no more!!! PreferLiverpool anyway, they have the better teams too!

 

[T4tomo]

What is the dialogue exactly:

Him: Slow Down
Her: .......Dog
Him: yeah, you're on a bike you effing idiot

What does she say before dog?

Also, I could they really get a prosecution if he just said, she lost her balance as she tried to squeeze by on the edge. I know it seems almost certain she was pushed given the verbal altercation and his body language but there was no push caught on camera and she would have been squeezing right on the edge given the space available.

It highlights the need for real cycle infrastructure. South Manchester and Salford are making strides but north and east Manchester is miles behind.

That was my point early, no way will they get a conviction (or arguably even charge) unless there is another witness / more evidence as whilst it appears very likely, there is no evidence he pushed her rather than she over balanced.

It will be her word against his, and the lady, presumably his partner, shown in the clip

 

[Drago]

It will be her word against his, and the lady, presumably his partner, shown in the clip

Indeed.

Her word against his, no corroborating evidence. Provided he denies it the matter doesn't meet the threshold for charging.

It seems doubtful he'd cough it or the partner would have a sudden attack of righteous public spiritedness.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Indeed.

Her word against his, no corroborating evidence. Provided he denies it the matter doesn't meet the threshold for charging.

It seems doubtful he'd cough it or the partner would have a sudden attack of righteous public spiritedness.

The lack of other known witnesses is a problem

without that we - well me certainly - are falling into the trap of assuming she is telling the truth

she could easily have fallen in as he walked past just by leaning a bit too far over
which is why I always try to stop on the hedge side if I can

and we also only have her word that they just walked off and never looked back

so - based on the evidence presented - there is no chance of any prosecution

and she might be lying for effect

 

[Vantage]

The dog walker has no excuse for his actions but I can understand his anger. We dog owners are very protective of our doggies.
The cyclist had plenty of time in which to pull over and let them walk by. Instead she carried on at speed and didn't brake until the last moment. There was no gradual slowing down that I could see.
I'm seeing more and more cyclists with no clue or care to ride safely and courteously.

 

[T4tomo]

We dog owners are very protective of our doggies.

You should all upgrade to a horse, any sensible cyclist stays well clear of a ton of unpredictable animal.

i once was nearly taken out by a labrador, because a feckless owner decided that the point where I was about to be between her and the dog she'd previously been ignoring , was precisely the right to to summon it to her.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

I have come across some dog owners that deliberately don;t call their dog because once you call the dog they often react in exactly the wrong way

turning to stand directly across the whole path is a common one for well behaved dogs

my main problem with dog is the ones with the dog on the end of a long lead
and an idiot on the other end

best way with a long lead - unless the dog is sensible and well trained - is for the owner to walk towards the dog - or at least to the same side

 

[Drago]

I'm seeing more and more cyclists with no clue or care to ride safely and courteously.

indeed, and us cyclists are quick to moan if its done unto us.