Manchester - Female cyclist pushed into canal by man

[mjr]

The dog walker has no excuse for his actions but I can understand his anger. We dog owners are very protective of our doggies.
The cyclist had plenty of time in which to pull over and let them walk by. Instead she carried on at speed and didn't brake until the last moment. There was no gradual slowing down that I could see.
I'm seeing more and more cyclists with no clue or care to ride safely and courteously.

Top victim-blaming and assault-excsing there!

If he was protective of his dog, he'd have it under close control, like the CRT code says. The old bargemen wouldn't have hesitated to hook a loose dog like that into the water before it troubled their horse, so the owner should be thankful he only has to watch for cyclists these days!

 

[Vantage]

Top victim-blaming and assault-excsing there!

If he was protective of his dog, he'd have it under close control, like the CRT code says. The old bargemen wouldn't have hesitated to hook a loose dog like that into the water before it troubled their horse, so the owner should be thankful he only has to watch for cyclists these days!

The dog is right next to him.
It is on us as the faster moving traffic to be on the lookout for dog walkers and the general public out for a bit of peace and quiet. Easy 🙂

 

[mjr]

The dog is right next to him.

Yes, and it runs off forwards. It's not under close control, despite it being right next to him.

It is on us as the faster moving traffic to be on the lookout for dog walkers and the general public out for a bit of peace and quiet. Easy 🙂

The cyclist stopped and made no contact with the dog, staying as far away from it as the path reasonably allowed at that point. Still she ended up in the canal. I don't think it had much to do with the dog, or that the man was "out for a bit of peace and quiet". It's probably more down to the acceptability of bike-bashing in our country now and it's pretty worrying that even other cyclists empathise with this man for being a dog owner, more than their victim.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

The dog looked perfectly fine to me

not worried or likely to do anything - just checking what his owner was doing

and in no risk

those dogs worry a lot and that one was not worried
but we still do not have any evidence that the bloke pushed her - or whatever

I mean - I would take her word for it to an extent - but her saying so is no proof

 

[Vantage]

Yes, and it runs off forwards. It's not under close control, despite it being right next to him.


The cyclist stopped and made no contact with the dog, staying as far away from it as the path reasonably allowed at that point. Still she ended up in the canal. I don't think it had much to do with the dog, or that the man was "out for a bit of peace and quiet". It's probably more down to the acceptability of bike-bashing in our country now and it's pretty worrying that even other cyclists empathise with this man for being a dog owner, more than their victim.

I'm not empathising with anyone. If he pushes the lady into the canal then he deserves to be punished and it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but you are defending the cyclist who we can all see, was damn well in the wrong here. You seem to be one of these "Oh we'll stick up for the cyclist just because they're a cyclist" types. She didn't stop in time at all. If she did, the dog walker probably wouldn't have been annoyed about her trying to push past, which is what she did. She didn't pull over to the side and let them past which is what she should have done either. Are you honestly going to argue that pedestrians don't have priority over cyclists?

 

[Alex321]

I'm not empathising with anyone. If he pushes the lady into the canal then he deserves to be punished and it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but you are defending the cyclist who we can all see, was damn well in the wrong here.

No we can't.

Please tell me exactly why you think the cyclist was "Damn well wrong here".

I genuinely could not see that she did ANYTHING wrong at all.

You seem to be one of these "Oh we'll stick up for the cyclist just because they're a cyclist" types. She didn't stop in time at all.

Yes she did. She stopped several feet in front of both the pedestrians and the dog.

If she did, the dog walker probably wouldn't have been annoyed about her trying to push past, which is what she did.

I suggest you watch the video again.

She did not attempt to get past him until *after* he started behaving aggressively towards her.

She didn't pull over to the side and let them past which is what she should have done either. Are you honestly going to argue that pedestrians don't have priority over cyclists?

Pedestrians certainly have priority over cyclists.

But she did nothing wrong. She did not get in their way, and there was plenty of room for her to get round them. There was no need for her to pull over to the side to let them past.