Michael Jackson......

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snapper_37

Barbara Woodhouse's Love Child
Location
Wolves
PaulB said:
Your views on music are interesting, to say the least. I agree with you on the fact that Jackson was indeed a genius and an incredible performer, you could make a very good case to say the best ever - but your dismissal of Jarvis Cocker does little to back up your argument. Cocker's actions were TOTALLY justified as Jackson's pretentious wankery that night was well over the top. Cocker is in no way immature or an opinionated tosser and has produced (and may go on to further produce) music which will certainly be listened to and appreciated in decades to come.

As much as I would hate to get up Paul's bum. I agree with that.

It was cringe-worthy to say the least.:ohmy:

Also that massive statue thing in one of the vids. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
 
snapper_37 said:
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

+1. Class is 3 minutes worth of Jimmy Cliff's Many Rivers to Cross -something Jackson never got anyway near to.
 

Tim Bennet.

Entirely Average Member
Location
S of Kendal
Some people are having a hard job dismissing their feelings about his behaviour from their consideration of his place in music.

Like him or not, he's the most successful recording artist ever and is the first black artist to be feted equally by fans irrespective of their ethnicity. Chuck Berry tried hard to achieve this same 'cross over' twenty years earlier, with his lyrics targeted specifically at white high school kids, but was constantly thwarted as they preferred the versions of his songs covered by white bands including the Stones, Beatles, etc. Simply put, Jackson was the first universally acclaimed, black pop success, lauded by all fans for what he did, not for who he was.

Although he did nothing for me, you can't dismiss his place in the history of popular music.
 

just jim

Guest
snapper_37 said:
As much as I would hate to get up Paul's bum. I agree with that.

It was cringe-worthy to say the least.:ohmy:

Also that massive statue thing in one of the vids. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.


Well it was HIStory in the making....
 

Joe24

More serious cyclist than Bonj
Location
Nottingham
Kirstie said:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a toss?

No, neither could i.
Ive just been reading through the jokes on here and getting them by text and laughing.
As bad as that makes me sound
 

Wigsie

Nincompoop
Location
Kent
Kirstie said:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a toss?

I dont think so, check back a few pages and many of us feel the same. Do obviously feel bad for his family but at the end of the day he was a 50 year old man of ill health that had a heart attack, life goes on.

I have not watched any news, read a paper or listened to the radio since midday as I was getting really irritated by all the mass mourning. Will probably try and avoid all news etc untill Monday.
 

buggi

Bird Saviour
Location
Solihull
Kirstie said:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a toss?

i don't either. one less peadophile waster on the planet. so he made a couple of good albums in the 80's but that's all. he's still dancing the same steps! he's just a has-been, i really don't see what all the fuss is about.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
PaulB said:
For all those who don't believe he was a paedo.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0625091jackson1.html

The sworn testimony here is damning.

.....and Jarvis Cocker isn't as well? He did after all drop his trousers to reveal his tackle in the presence of kids on stage didn't he? He seems a candidate for the sex offenders register. MJ was tried in court and found not guilty of the charges by a jury. The jury obviously did not believe Chandler's account of Jackson's behaviour toward him.
 

PaulB

Legendary Member
Location
Colne
Crankarm said:
.....and Jarvis Cocker isn't as well? He did after all drop his trousers to reveal his tackle in the presence of kids on stage didn't he? He seems a candidate for the sex offenders register. MJ was tried in court and found not guilty of the charges by a jury. The jury obviously did not believe Chandler's account of Jackson's behaviour toward him.

You don't half post some guff. Freddie Mercury was the best performer ever? Jarvis Cocker is a paedo? And as for your "jury V Jackson" nonsense; OJ Simpson also had enough money to convince a jury he hadn't murdered his wife. It's not often that words fail me but in this case, they do.
 

Andy in Sig

Vice President in Exile
I watched about 20 mins of one of his concerts which was put on the box last night.

Conclusions:

a. A very good mover but tended to spoil this by constantly grabbing his crotch, a gesture which is a bit difficult to interpret as masculine assertiveness given that his voice never broke.

b. He wrote some catchy tunes but ultimately they were mostly safe, bland pop. Definitely not a black man inside (which latter is neither criticism nor praise, merely a subjective observation).

c. He was at the trivial end of the music market and it is interesting that he is and will probably continue to be, mostly celebrated for the surface ephemera e.g. the videos.

d. He will sink into obscurity more quickly than we can imagine this week (although obviously events could prove me wrong on that).

e. I'd really hate to get stuck in an alpine cabin cut off by snow in the company of any of his fans.
 
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