New cycling infrastructure - a noteworthy obstacle is cyclists themselves, apparently.

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All uphill

Still rolling along
Location
Somerset
I'm feeling uncharacteristically pessimistic about the chances of walking and cycling getting a fair chance in the UK; that's probably because my cycling is very limited for the foreseeable.

We are a society based on and around the privately owned car, and it's horrible imho. Enclosed in expensive mobile living rooms, trapped in traffic jams getting to destinations that are jammed with other equally unhealthy people. Regarding eating and drinking as recreation.

Pah! Humbug!
 
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ren531

Veteran
Location
Lancaster uk
I'm sure if a ped was hit or injured by a cyclist on our local disused railway tracks, the keyboard warriors would be all over the local FB groups... but i can't recall a single incident.

Only the Lancaster-Morecambe track has a segregation line, the others don't and work just as well. It's just a case of cyclists giving way to peds which so far as I can tell, is working.

Been using the Lancaster to Morecambe Greenway for many years and never witnessed any collisions between anyone, I did see 2 cyclists knocking 7 bells out of eachother near Sainsbury's a few years ago but no idea how it started.
 

mustang1

Legendary Member
Location
London, UK
Car drivers should all just bugger off, drive slower, stay off the phone, wait for pedestrians and cyclists to get across.

I rather dislike riding on bike lanes, overtaking all the cars stuck in traffic, only then having to wait at a traffic signal timed for PEDESTRIANS, seeing all the car traffic go (that I just overtook previously). Pedestrians have to wait for ages for pelican crossings and road junction traffic lights to change to a green man so that they can cross. Very annoying. And even more so as a cyclist.

So, to get around that, I ride in the bike lane and when I see traffic lights coming up, I join the road; that way, I get to be safe on the bike lane and keep my average speed up when negotiating traffic lights.

A silly, ill-thought, system. I hope it improves for future generations....
 
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Drago

Legendary Member
Car drivers should all just bugger off, drive slower, stay off the phone, wait for pedestrians and cyclists to get across.

I rather dislike riding on bike lanes, overtaking all the cars stuck in traffic, only then having to wait at a traffic signal timed for PEDESTRIANS, seeing all the car traffic go (that I just overtook previously). Pedestrians have to wait for ages for pelican crossings and road junction traffic lights to change to a green man so that they can cross. Very annoying. And even more so as a cyclist.

So, to get around that, I ride in the bike lane and when I see traffic lights coming up, I join the road; that way, I get to be safe on the bike lane and keep my average speed up when negotiating traffic lights.

A silly, ill-thought, system. I hope it improves for future generations....

I walk Mini D to school and at 13 she's already figured out for herself the ridiculous situation where human beings are a lower form of life with a lesser priority than metal boxes.
 

lazybloke

Ginger biscuits and cheddar
Location
Leafy Surrey
Car drivers should all just bugger off, drive slower, stay off the phone, wait for pedestrians and cyclists to get across.

I rather dislike riding on bike lanes, overtaking all the cars stuck in traffic, only then having to wait at a traffic signal timed for PEDESTRIANS, seeing all the car traffic go (that I just overtook previously). Pedestrians have to wait for ages for pelican crossings and road junction traffic lights to change to a green man so that they can cross. Very annoying. And even more so as a cyclist.

So, to get around that, I ride in the bike lane and when I see traffic lights coming up, I join the road; that way, I get to be safe on the bike lane and keep my average speed up when negotiating traffic lights.
Hmm, traffic lights for bike lanes in London seem to leave cyclists waiting for AGES.
Particularly turning off the embankment onto Westminster Bridge or the other way into Parliament Square.
Parliament Square itself can be quite annoying too.

Switching between bike/car lanes can make a massive difference.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Hmm, traffic lights for bike lanes in London seem to leave cyclists waiting for AGES.
Particularly turning off the embankment onto Westminster Bridge or the other way into Parliament Square.
Parliament Square itself can be quite annoying too.

Switching between bike/car lanes can make a massive difference.
Parliament Square is indeed a mess and the lights seem to prioritise keeping the all-traffic entry lanes clear over speed of cycle traffic. A redesign to put the cycleway on the outside of the square instead of the inside, and so the other side of Westminster Bridge's approach road, might help, but I doubt it will happen soon.

I often switch between cycleway and carriageway on the approaches to traffic lights based on my prediction of what colours will be shown by the time I arrive at them, but it's worth remembering that moving from cycleway to carriageway at an acute angle (merging into another lane) is one of the top five causes of cyclist road casualties, and I think it's the top one where cyclists are thought to be at fault (but I've not checked right now), so look back carefully and only change if you're pretty sure there's a gap you can use.

Relatedly, it's also worth remembering if there's a red man (so it's a so-called Toucan or Puffin crossing), then the crossing is legally a give-way and you can go if it's clear and you won't cause motorists to take avoiding action, unlike if it's a red circle or red bike alone (either alone or as part of a signalised parallel crossing) which are compulsory stops. My local highway authority used to deny requests to change signal timings to favour cycleways by arguing that we weren't really delayed unnecessarily because we didn't have to stop, even though this isn't widely known.
 
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