winjim
Smash the cistern
Certainly looks as though the car park itself is. Whether they'll have caught the goings on in the road is another matter.
Opinion requested for an incident in Nottingham
- Thread starter DaveTetlow
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simon.r
Person
- Location
- Nottingham
Regardless of who was at fault I think the question anyone involved in an incident like this needs to ask themselves is 'could I have done something to prevent it happening?' I prefer to filter up the outside of traffic where possible, but that road doesn't lend itself to doing that (I know the road well). So, I'd suggest there are 2 ways you could have avoided being knocked off:
1 - Not filtering at all.
2 - Filtering very very carefully, especially when there is a chance that a vehicle will be turning left into a side road or other entrance.
Personally, I take the second option. I'd go as far as to say it's probably best not to undertake at all if there is a side road / entrance on the left.
Please don't misinterpret my comments as suggesting that you're at fault. BUT, in an incident like that there's only ever going to be one injured party and I think it makes sense to ask what / how / if you could grave avoided it.
Edit - what bought this thread to my attention was doing a search for 'Nottingham' to see if there were any posts about the cyclist who died this morning on Crown Island (which is about 2 miles from where the OP's incident was
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1 - Not filtering at all.
2 - Filtering very very carefully, especially when there is a chance that a vehicle will be turning left into a side road or other entrance.
Personally, I take the second option. I'd go as far as to say it's probably best not to undertake at all if there is a side road / entrance on the left.
Please don't misinterpret my comments as suggesting that you're at fault. BUT, in an incident like that there's only ever going to be one injured party and I think it makes sense to ask what / how / if you could grave avoided it.
Edit - what bought this thread to my attention was doing a search for 'Nottingham' to see if there were any posts about the cyclist who died this morning on Crown Island (which is about 2 miles from where the OP's incident was
).DRM
Guru
- Location
- West Yorks
I would say the motorist would seem to be at fault, but I think her and the other driver will collude against you, take care out there, the standard of driving in Nottingham is appalling to sh*t at best.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Drivers are never wrong. Or so they think.
noodle
Active Member
- Location
- northern monkey
Devils advocate I'm not saying right or wrong
Was there anything to indicate your right of way?
Where are the liabilities for 'undertaking' and in reality doing it coming up to a junction where turning left would seem highly likely
There are a growing number of commercial vehicles that have signage for cyclist to avoid this by overtaking filtering call it what you will on the right
Another devils advocate if it was a motorbike doing 20 mph would everyone still say the car drivers fault? In a left hand lane with a possible left turn coming up should anyone have to expect another vehicle passing them on the wrong side that's of course when they are in the correct lane indicating there intentions to turn
Personally in traffic when driving if much sooner a cyclist pass on my right than my left. If they were doing so if always leave room (if I was aware early enough) for them to get in front of me.
Was there anything to indicate your right of way?
Where are the liabilities for 'undertaking' and in reality doing it coming up to a junction where turning left would seem highly likely
There are a growing number of commercial vehicles that have signage for cyclist to avoid this by overtaking filtering call it what you will on the right
Another devils advocate if it was a motorbike doing 20 mph would everyone still say the car drivers fault? In a left hand lane with a possible left turn coming up should anyone have to expect another vehicle passing them on the wrong side that's of course when they are in the correct lane indicating there intentions to turn
Personally in traffic when driving if much sooner a cyclist pass on my right than my left. If they were doing so if always leave room (if I was aware early enough) for them to get in front of me.
noodle
Active Member
- Location
- northern monkey
Ps I'm glad you were not seriously hurt and the above is an alternate point of view that isn't pro either side
jefmcg
Guru
@DaveTetlow The most important point is not who was right or wrong (though you were right!) but how to avoid getting killled or injured.
Have a read of Cycle Craft http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/, I believe that's a good resource for learning to ride with cars.
Have I got the right book, @vickster ?
Have a read of Cycle Craft http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/, I believe that's a good resource for learning to ride with cars.
Have I got the right book, @vickster ?
classic33
Leg End Member
WHSmiths also sell it.
glenn forger
Guest
"you were undertaking" is what that doofus towing the trailer said when he nearly forced magnatom off the road. That driver got 6 points, IIRC.
BEHMOTH66
Active Member
- Location
- Salford, Gtr Manchester
Definitely not your fault turning left or right they should always check the way is clear before exercising a manoeuvre. Hope its not put you off and are back on your bike soon
The Jogger
Legendary Member
- Location
- Spain
Definitely not your fault, unfortunately there are a of of morons around like this who make the mistake and then blame the cyclist. I had an incident on the Edgware Road yesterday in which white van man was turning right across my path , I braked he nearly hit me and called me a self-gratification artist. I returned a few expletives and had forgotten it by the time I was cycling down through Hyde Park. Don't let it put you off. I personally don't like to get involved with aggressive exchanges and its usually better to cycle on but sometimes you can't help it.
