Patsy Kensitt and That weight watcher ad

[threebikesmcginty]

I say stick with the cycling! Just to be on the safe side...

[swiss Toni mode] you know, Muffy, riding a bicycle is very much like making love to a beautiful woman, first of all you have to check that everything's in good working order; the rack can take a load, the rim's ok before you start pumping, only then can you get your leg over. And make sure sure you've got plenty of WD40.[/Swiss Toni mode]

 

[tadpole]

Firstly can you please stop turning every post into a personal attack. You just make it unpleasant.

Weight control isn't simply about how much goes in and how much is expended. It's as much about the type of calories consumed as how many.
Sorry but this is not true. Ask a doctor not WW. A calorie is a measure of energy in food and it makes no difference what food you eat. There are not bad calories and good ones. There are just calories.

No Don't ask a doctor, doctors know bugger all about nutrition, they may be get a couple of hours talk on it in the whole of their training, and are meant to study it for themselves, but as it's not mandatory most don't bother.


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmhealth/6/6vw27.htm

In a House of Commons report December 2011, it was reported that most people listen to doctors advice even when they are talking sh!t,

"1.5 Doctors in particular are critical to delivery of adequate nutritional care, but their education and training in nutrition are haphazard at best, and many doctors regard themselves as inadequately trained to give nutritional advice. This contrasts with the high regard that doctor’s advice (however poorly informed) enjoys: and with their impact on the rest of the health team as leaders and role models."

So anyone whose spent a few hours looking stuff up on the net know pretty much as much as a Doctor does.

 

[Over The Hill]

Are you saying there's 120 calories in 100g of pasta?

Sorry - checked again it is actually 150 calories per 100g . But still my point is that it is a relatively low calorie food and should not be on the excluded list with fat and sugar.
100g is about the amount in a lasagne, a normal portion would be more.
Basically if anyone wants to work out how much pasta or rice or bread or potatoes they would eat over a day and then work out the calories in that food, they would most certainly be well under the calorie intake target on any weight loss diet.
Carbs tend to fill you up and if you are full you forget about food, so it is not an obsession. You just think about food at a meal time which comes along three times a day, at the point you start feeling hungry. The body is not pumping out "find food" messages all day.
If you cut out carbs and snack you are constantly running on empty and thinking about the next snack. A bit like driving around in your car and only filling it with one gallon of petrol, the fuel light will always be on. Also without carbs you end up with an over-rich diet as it is not bulked out.

 

[Over The Hill]

Biologically, we ought to eat fat (and meat and nuts and berries and leaves), and not processed cereals. Inventing farming was the start of all our problems...

Strangely though we have been eating processed cerials for hundreds of years as our main food but only started getting fat in the last 50 years or so when we took to sitting on our bums all day eating Mars bars and Crisps.

I get the feeling that people want some magic formula to get thin while still sitting on their bums eating Mars Bars and Crisps so seem to chase any idea that suggests they can.

 

[Rob3rt]

Yes please, although instead of sitting can I lay down and instead of Mars Bars, can I have Chocolate Chip Cookies (Maryland style, not those soggy yank style things).

 

[Over The Hill]

Because that's what's working for me (and for most athletes for that matter)

So completely different dietary needs to the rest of us.

Many athletes shove in a few thousand extra calories in a day as they are burning off the same so intake would need to be higher. Taken as carbs it guess would tend to sit in the stomach while you do whatever so that would not be ideal. But this is precisely what is good with carbs for the less active.

 

[vernon]

It works!

It's called "exercise", and as always depends how vigorously you participate

Kissing - 68 Calories per hour
Getting undressed - 8 Calories
Foreplay - 80 plus Calories per hour
Making Love - 280 plus Calories per hour

That's 3000 calories expended for me.
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[Over The Hill]

So the answer is no, you're not a registered dietician.

The MRC trials are easy to find but, as you seem to be having a problem, I'll give you the links:

http://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d6500
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21906798?dopt=Abstract&access_num=21906798&link_type=MED

You might need Athens access or a subscription to the relevant journals to dig any deeper - but given that you seem to be speaking with such authority on this matter then we'll assume that you have this sort of access, as someone in the know would.

I have already accepted that WW et al may work while you are on them. I don note from the findings though that a weight loss of only 5kg over one year is the result which really is quite pathetic for a very overweight person.
The findings are flawed in that -
They only measure over the period on WW - not the 12 months after when you pile the weight back on.
They are only comparing the result with the NHS standard service on dieting which is no more than handing out a leaflet or two.
Just because it is better than something else over a limited time does not mean it is good.

 

[Marshmallow_Fluff]

So completely different dietary needs to the rest of us.

Many athletes shove in a few thousand extra calories in a day as they are burning off the same so intake would need to be higher. Taken as carbs it guess would tend to sit in the stomach while you do whatever so that would not be ideal. But this is precisely what is good with carbs for the less active.

Oh, sorry! I thought this was a cyclists forum and therefore I stupidly assumed that I'm talking to people with active lifestyle. My bad!!
For what is worth though, my plan still works when I'm not training (yet remain active as I suggested in my post)

 

[Marshmallow_Fluff]

[swiss Toni mode] you know, Muffy, riding a bicycle is very much like making love to a beautiful woman, first of all you have to check that everything's in good working order; the rack can take a load, the rim's ok before you start pumping, only then can you get your leg over. And make sure sure you've got plenty of WD40.[/Swiss Toni mode]

That is so sensitive and almost poetic I'd say..
But what if you get a flat, or your dereuiller is playing up? What then?

 

[Rob3rt]

Weight watchers is for a certain type of person. I often find myself sneering at the idea of weight watchers, I wish I could honestly say it was all bad such that I could justify my snap judgement to declare it a crock, but truth be told, there is some merit, however small. I do not like the idea of the points system though.

I find weight management to be fairly intuitive, but then I am a certain sort of person!

With regards to the OP, personally I find Kensitt particularly unattractive appearance wise!

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

That is so sensitive and almost poetic I'd say..
But what if you get a flat, or your dereuiller is playing up? What then?

Clap clinic? For the upside down umbrella treatment!

 

[Rapples]

[QUOTE 2256019, member: 259"]Didn't she do one for frozen peas as well? Maybe it's a case of poacher turned gamekeeper. [/quote]

She did, it was Gary Glitter's favourite advert

 

[RiflemanSmith]

And how much does alcohol related ill health cost the NHS and the tax payer (a hint: a hell of a lot more than obesity)? Or the costs of dealing with road traffic incidents?

I wouldn't treat drug or alcohol related stuff either including injuries sustained while drunk.

 

[BigonaBianchi]

It works!

It's called "exercise", and as always depends how vigorously you participate

Kissing - 68 Calories per hour
Getting undressed - 8 Calories
Foreplay - 80 plus Calories per hour
Making Love - 280 plus Calories per hour

So why doesnt my app have those as an exercise option?