Patsy Kensitt and That weight watcher ad

[Marshmallow_Fluff]

Yup.. about that.. Regardless what your app is telling you, your easy 5 mile ride managed to burn you 175 calories actually, of which you would have burned about 60 laying on your sofa anyway (that's roughly you RMR), so...
You earned yourself the right to eat a banana!

 

[Over The Hill]

You're not understanding what the numbers are telling you.

RDA is useless if you are trying to lose weight as you shold be aiming under this.
I think I do understand it and that they are trying to tell me what they want to tell me rather than what I should be looking at (the calroies and fat per 100g)
The crux is, most people on a diet that has made them fat could easily reduce the calories in that diet by a huge amount (say 50%) without even looking at the amount they eat.
Most diets tend to try to cut down the amount people eat but still push fat and sugar on you. You are not then learning good eating habits and changing your taste in food to want lower fat and lower sugar foods. It takes rather more will to cut down quantity than it does calories within the quantity and that will gives up and back you go to the beginning.

 

[Over The Hill]

Hi OTH, explain the above like I'm thick.

3.5 g /16 g = 21% The 5% indication relates to the % of an adults daily recommended allowance.
Walkers Ready Salted 8.5 g/25 g = 34% fat per pack
Walkers Ready Salted Lites 5.3g/24 g = 22% fat per pack

So, Walkers Lites are basically the same as WW, you just get a bit more per pack.

I don't bother with any WW snacks, I'd rather go without. I do like their yoghurts and a couple of the ready meals. Oh and the chocolate eclairs are fab. BUT I prefer to cook my own meals (and have been watching Hairy Bikers and trying recipes off the slimming world website ). Going to try the lasagne using leeks - have you tried this?

Now, if we want to talk about misleading labels ........

Pork (42%), water, pork fat (10%)

This is part of an ingredient dec for probably the most popular sausage around at the moment (not that I'd touch it with a barge pole bluurrghh). Note the 10% fat. The 10% fat is actually more like 40% fat. You only have to declare fat when it is in excess of 30%, you don't have to quantify the excess. These clever clogs have decided to quantify the excess fat, thus making out that the product only contains 10% fat (which is considered faily low for a mid meat content range sausage).

I did challenge the manufacturers on this but, funnily enough, got no response.

WW crisps are 20% fat. That is a high fat, high calorie food. Not something that should be part of even a healthy persons diet let alone someone trying to lose weight. Breadsticks are 5% fat as an example of a decent substitution. That is it really.
It is cheating yourself to try to cut down on quantity (beyond a normal level) and if you try to eat too little and go hungry then you are probably going to give up. It is very easy to cut down on a huge amount of someones calorie intake without affecting the amount they eat.
Re hairy bikers lasagne. Pasta is a low fat food which is only about 120cals for a decent 100g portion. It was the only meal they cooked that I felt they were off target on by cutting out a low fat carb. (Carbs are fine if cooked without adding fat).
The pizza base used instead of pastry is great. Tried that at the weekend.

As you point out, labelling is very confusing and misleading. I go with the per100g bit and just aim to avoid over 5% fat or about 230 calories per 100g. I tend to make all my own food and hardly have anything ready made.
I have problems with my knees and if I put on a few pounds they hurt so I tend to stick to a weight to make life tolerable. I actually eat quite a lot of food but as three good meals per day with minimal in between snacks.

My big gripe is the way people seem to cut down on carbs. Take pasta above. They call one portion 100g so lets say at a push you could eat eight portions in a day if you ate nothing else. So on only pasta eating as much as you could stuff in you are on only 960 calories in a day! So it is a fantastic food for weight loss and eating lots of carbs keeps you full and avoiding packets of crisps.
It all seems blindingly easy to me but as you see I seem to be upsetting people. All I know is it works for me with no effort or feeling of missing out.

 

[Marshmallow_Fluff]

Why don't you just follow the simplest way?
Avoid alcohol and evertything that contains flour and sugar, as well as all processed cereal (yes, even the so called "wholegrain"). Eat until you are full, without counting calories or resticting yourself in any way. Try to eat at least 5 times a day.
Add a bit of cycling to the mix.
Sit and watch yourself shrink.
It is actually as simple as that!!

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Why don't you just follow the simplest way?
Avoid alcohol and evertything that contains flour and sugar, as well as all processed cereal (yes, even the so called "wholegrain"). Eat until you are full, without counting calories or resticting yourself in any way. Try to eat at least 5 times a day.
Add a bit of cycling to the mix.
Sit and watch yourself shrink.
It is actually as simple as that!!

I hope it, this my new diet since I reckon I'm gluten sensitive.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Just the self home test, that and getting the trots everytime I eat anything wheat, even the coating on some nuts does it. I wll get the test done at gp some time

 

[Drago]

Just hazelnuts and walnuts for me. I virtually don't drink at all now. Cheese Doritos are my only vice. Oh yeah baby.

 

[Over The Hill]

So come on? Are you a registered dietician? Are you going to produce any evidence to counter the Medical Research Council's findings?

Or are you just going to ignore any post that demonstrates you're talking complete and utter rubbish?

Could you please put a nice FM style link to whatever are talking about. I can find no endoresement of what you are on about anywhere.

Happy to look at it.

 

[Over The Hill]

Why don't you just follow the simplest way?
Avoid alcohol and evertything that contains flour and sugar, as well as all processed cereal (yes, even the so called "wholegrain"). Eat until you are full, without counting calories or resticting yourself in any way. Try to eat at least 5 times a day.
Add a bit of cycling to the mix.
Sit and watch yourself shrink.
It is actually as simple as that!!

So I am OK eating fried rice, cheese, fried eggs and sausages all day?
Sorry but you are going against all advice re a healthy balanced diet.
So why have you got it in for flour and cereal but not fat?

 

[Arch]

So I am OK eating fried rice, cheese, fried eggs and sausages all day?
Sorry but you are going against all advice re a healthy balanced diet.
So why have you got it in for flour and cereal but not fat?

Biologically, we ought to eat fat (and meat and nuts and berries and leaves), and not processed cereals. Inventing farming was the start of all our problems...

 

[Saluki]

I lost a lot of weight with WW, the whole points thing worked for me. I have put around 1/2 stone back on but that is cake and what not and its my own fault. Once you hit your target you can keep attending WW for free, which is good. I very rarely ate any WW products as I am not made of money, I just had my points calculator thing and used that, plus jotting down the food I ate.
I have just started SW as, with my work at the moment, it is better for me. I like SW as I get more pasta and rice and the whole idea of it works for me. I have not gone back on WW simply because I fancied a change and I don't like the woman who runs the local classes very much.

I don't remember Patsy Kensit being fat though. Then again, I don't suppose I really take much notice of her. Not sure who the bloke on the WW adverts are at all. Never seen masterchef though. I think the ads would have been better if they had found a plumper actor or actress though. WW does work, my cousin lost around 10 stone with them and has kept it off too. She found attending the classes helpful and has not got the self discipline to go it alone.

 

[redcard]

WW crisps are 20% fat. That is a high fat, high calorie food. Not something that should be part of even a healthy persons diet let alone someone trying to lose weight. Breadsticks are 5% fat as an example of a decent substitution. That is it really.
It is cheating yourself to try to cut down on quantity (beyond a normal level) and if you try to eat too little and go hungry then you are probably going to give up. It is very easy to cut down on a huge amount of someones calorie intake without affecting the amount they eat.
Re hairy bikers lasagne. Pasta is a low fat food which is only about 120cals for a decent 100g portion. It was the only meal they cooked that I felt they were off target on by cutting out a low fat carb. (Carbs are fine if cooked without adding fat).
The pizza base used instead of pastry is great. Tried that at the weekend.

As you point out, labelling is very confusing and misleading. I go with the per100g bit and just aim to avoid over 5% fat or about 230 calories per 100g. I tend to make all my own food and hardly have anything ready made.
I have problems with my knees and if I put on a few pounds they hurt so I tend to stick to a weight to make life tolerable. I actually eat quite a lot of food but as three good meals per day with minimal in between snacks.

My big gripe is the way people seem to cut down on carbs. Take pasta above. They call one portion 100g so lets say at a push you could eat eight portions in a day if you ate nothing else. So on only pasta eating as much as you could stuff in you are on only 960 calories in a day! So it is a fantastic food for weight loss and eating lots of carbs keeps you full and avoiding packets of crisps.
It all seems blindingly easy to me but as you see I seem to be upsetting people. All I know is it works for me with no effort or feeling of missing out.

Are you saying there's 120 calories in 100g of pasta?

 

[ufkacbln]

I. Starting to think these people may have resorted to the use of sex to sell to the masses...

It works!

It's called "exercise", and as always depends how vigorously you participate

Kissing - 68 Calories per hour
Getting undressed - 8 Calories
Foreplay - 80 plus Calories per hour
Making Love - 280 plus Calories per hour

 

[ufkacbln]

If you're only expending 280 calories per hour you're doing it wrong...

I laughed at the "per hour"

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

If it was per minute, I'd be in with a chance of using sex to lose weight......