Plan to bring UK clocks forward

[longers]

Slightly off-topic - what does 'natch' mean?

Sorry for the hijack

I didn't know but do now : natch.

 

[snorri]

It's bad enough already getting up on dark mornings, the winter would be unbearable with more dark mornings.
There's something quite comforting about drawing the curtains on a dark evening, but opening the curtains to darkness in the morning is not a good feeling at all.

 

[rich p]

Slightly off-topic - what does 'natch' mean?

Sorry for the hijack

naturally, natch!

 

[rich p]

I'm sage so I'd prefer rosemary thyme

 

[Aperitif]

I'm sage so I'd prefer rosemary thyme

Dry up FFS

 

[ColinJ]

It's bad enough already getting up on dark mornings, the winter would be unbearable with more dark mornings.
There's something quite comforting about drawing the curtains on a dark evening, but opening the curtains to darkness in the morning is not a good feeling at all.

I suffer from SAD so I agree that winters in the UK can be pretty grim, but the way things are now it is dark at both ends of the day when we are out and about. I'd rather have a darker morning but a bit of relief later on.

When I'm indoors in the winter, I just forget the outside world and blast myself with my light box, but I'd love more light when I'm doing things outdoors in the afternoons and early evenings.


The real answer is to migrate south for the winter! I think I might end up being one of those pensioners who go away from November to April ...

 

[ComedyPilot]

Oh, CET for me too.

Also, how about a lovely bridge/causeway to the continent (with cycle lane) so we can escape get away a little easier?

 

[Garz]

I'm all for gaining an extra bit of daylight at the end of the day especially as I'm more likely to do an evening ride after work than to get one in before work.

 

[zizou]

I'm not sure about Germany and Northern Italy - but in the South of Europe the times of sunrise/sunset are much less variable than the UK remember.

The difference is negligable - although of course, like us, they still change their clocks to maximise evening sunshine.

ECT for me every time, for social and economic reasons.

We are a few hours by train from Brussels / Paris but have to change the time by an hour for no reason. This must be a bummer for businesses. All because a few Scottish people will wake up in the dark?

I wake up in the dark every morning for about 2 months and I live as far south as you can go without getting wet. It depends when you get up.

I have my recreational time after work - and the longer, lighter the evenings are the better.

EDIT : and I'm Scottish - at least my parents are, and I've been brought up to consider myself Scottish. (Still support Scotland in the 6 nations )

International business has to cope with time differences much longer than an hour so i dont really see the big deal with an hours difference to Brussels or Paris. Indeed the worlds two largest economies manage to cope just fine with having multiple domestic time zones never mind international ones too.

Its not just waking up in the dark, it is being dark for the journey to work and school and into into a fair bit of the working / school morning. In the middle of winter it is light for school hours and not much more. An hours change to this and things will be significantly worse for everyone in the north whereas in the south an extra hour in the evening might make a marginal improvement for a few weeks a year. Personally I'd rather kids be able to walk or ride their bike to and from school in the light over any other consideration. (For Scotland and probably Northern Ireland and the North of England too an extra hour in the evening wouldnt really make much difference in terms of 'daylight' leisure time after work hours for most of the winter anyway. )

Anyway spring is approaching and the days are getting longer, about 4 and half minutes extra each day. Dry and dusty trails, early morning cycles with the birds singing, no grit on the roads and half an hour needed to clean the bike after every outing...happy days are coming back

 

[Rezillo]

I'm all for gaining an extra bit of daylight at the end of the day especially as I'm more likely to do an evening ride after work than to get one in before work.

Same here - given a choice of a light morning getting prepared for work (or travelling to work) or an light evening when the time's more my own, there's no contest.

John

 

[Cush]

I am an early morning person and prefer the present time but if it means that we dont mess around with the clocks twice a year then I will be happy

 

[HLaB]

The clocks change is thrown into the ring every couple of years or so and whilst its suggested it would reduce accidents collisions and it seems to be more productive for those down south; it'll never happen the farmers are to vocal a lobby and anyway its of decreasing benefit as you go north.

 

[mangaman]

Its not just waking up in the dark, it is being dark for the journey to work and school and into into a fair bit of the working / school morning. In the middle of winter it is light for school hours and not much more. An hours change to this and things will be significantly worse for everyone in the north whereas in the south an extra hour in the evening might make a marginal improvement for a few weeks a year. Personally I'd rather kids be able to walk or ride their bike to and from school in the light over any other consideration. (For Scotland and probably Northern Ireland and the North of England too an extra hour in the evening wouldnt really make much difference in terms of 'daylight' leisure time after work hours for most of the winter anyway. )

You can't say - it would be significantly worse for everyone in the North - then say, in the next sentence, an extra hour in the evenings for a few weeks a year might make an improvement.

The total amount of daylight stays the same.

Ergo your significant nightmare for everyone of dark mornings - will last a few weeks only.

Scottish people will have a few more weeks of darkness and a few more weeks of extremely late sunsets. Most of my Scottish friends feel that one of the advantages of living up there are the endless summer evenings.

I suppose logic would put England on CET and Wales and Scotland can do what they want, since they have have their own Parliament and we subsidise them to do whatever they fancy

 

[threebikesmcginty]

I'm sage so I'd prefer rosemary thyme

More sag than sage!

 

[Intelligenthamster]

I'm with Snorri. I HATE dark mornings, hate hate HATE. While it would be nice to able to ride after work in the winter, there are always weekends and the dark mornings are horrible as it is.

I have a Swedish friend and the last time I was over there I asked him what around Christmas (shortest days in Northern hemisphere) are like. Lars's reply: "About six hours of light but it if it is very dull weather it is more like two and a half". Ugh.

There are only so many hours of daylight, we can call it whatever time we like but we will not get any more actual light as a result... please, just leave it alone.