Plan to bring UK clocks forward

[Glow worm]

CET please and the sooner the better.
Scotland could remain on GMT. There - everyone's happy! <br>Some research suggests Scotland would also benefit from CET such as this from cycling campaigner and all round top bloke Dr Meyer Hillman. <br>Edit It's at http://www.mayerhillman.com top right (daylight saving)<br>

 

[meenaghman]

Many tend to forget that parts of NI are already 1/2 hr behind london - ie > 7 degrees w of the Meridian.
so todays daylight hrs for Derry are 7:39 /17:48 with Enniskillen at 7.39/17:50
The other complication is that there's a land border with UK to consider.. and if Dublin decides to stay in its current timezone (Although as Ireland is owned by Europe these days they'll be doing what Europe wants .. however Ireland does have significant US investment - It bad enough having 5 hrs dfference to the US - 6 hrs would make it slightly less overlap in terms of business meetings. One can just see the thought process going through Unionists mind, if time changed for mainland UK but not for NI,
I can see how it would benefit business relationships with India and China.. but make business or at least some business harder to conduct with US.

 

[ian turner]

I was wondering how long it would be before someone went for the daily snails "think of the children!!" line.
I distinctly remember using lights on my bike when going to school and that was 20 miles sarf of Manchester so hardly the deep north.
I'm all for scrapping BST and making Easter a fixed date. What's with the first Sunday after a full moon ? Was Jesus a werewolf ?

 

[marinyork]

I never ever heard anyone mention the uk daylight experiment in a negative light until the recent rantings when it's cropped up again. I remain to be convinced however good their motives that the people who remember the experiment are doing so in a fair manner. One theory I have is that school starting times have changed in that time period or the people complaining were setting off very early.

 

[Fnaar]

I'm all for scrapping BST and making Easter a fixed date. What's with the first Sunday after a full moon ? Was Jesus a werewolf ?

He was, but he's alright nowooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo

(Fnaar grabs coat/robe and leaves)

 

[marinyork]

Many tend to forget that parts of NI are already 1/2 hr behind london - ie > 7 degrees w of the Meridian.
so todays daylight hrs for Derry are 7:39 /17:48 with Enniskillen at 7.39/17:50

This isn't around the 21st of March or 21st of September, the terminator line doesn't move like that at the moment or for long periods of the winter/summer.

 

[meenaghman]

Don't understand your point. We're 7 degrees W. The sun will always rise at least half and hr later than it does in London.

 

[marinyork]

Don't understand your point. We're 7 degrees W. The sun will always rise at least half and hr later than it does in London.

The division of night and day along the terminator line is only approximately parallel to lines of longitude around the equinoxes. The amount by which sunrise is later in say Belfast varies from about 4 to 40 minutes in London's favour. In anycase it depends on your point of view, bits of Northern Ireland gets a much better deal in terms of sunsets for large chunks of the year. Maybe if you value one and not the other you should be on a different time zone relative to London for parts of the year. Always winners and losers.

 

[twentysix by twentyfive]

I never ever heard anyone mention the uk daylight experiment in a negative light until the recent rantings when it's cropped up again. I remain to be convinced however good their motives that the people who remember the experiment are doing so in a fair manner. One theory I have is that school starting times have changed in that time period or the people complaining were setting off very early.

I remember the experiment. I was at school in Lanarkshire. Getting to school was dreadful (I had a bit of a journey by bus). I can remember sitting in the classroom watching the sun come up (when it wasn't overcast). Personally I did not like it.

But I did enjoy the long May/June/July evenings. The gloaming - can't be beaten.

 

[marinyork]

I remember the experiment. I was at school in Lanarkshire. Getting to school was dreadful (I had a bit of a journey by bus). I can remember sitting in the classroom watching the sun come up (when it wasn't overcast). Personally I did not like it.

But I did enjoy the long May/June/July evenings. The gloaming - can't be beaten.

Yes, but that doesn't offer anything to the debate and just repeats the vagueness I don't like. What time did school start and what time did you set off?

 

[Ravenbait]

I like having GMT. If we didn't have GMT, who would? We'd end up with some arbitrary 0 line, with no one on it. That would be well weird. We'd have to start worrying about Zulus.

No thanks. I don't want it to be any more torture getting out of bed in the morning in winter than it is already. It's only just starting to get to the point where it isn't dark on the way to work now.

Sam

 

[twentysix by twentyfive]

Yes, but that doesn't offer anything to the debate and just repeats the vagueness I don't like. What time did school start and what time did you set off?

School started at 9. I would have set off at 8 I think. So out of bed about 7:15. IIRC the sun would come up 9:30 or so.

Sorry marinyork. Forgetting my facts like that

 

[Bman]

I like having GMT. If we didn't have GMT, who would? We'd end up with some arbitrary 0 line, with no one on it. That would be well weird. We'd have to start worrying about Zulus.

No thanks. I don't want it to be any more torture getting out of bed in the morning in winter than it is already. It's only just starting to get to the point where it isn't dark on the way to work now.

Sam

LOL

I dont know. One one hand, I like GMT and Zulu Time. Thats us. You always know how jetlagged you are if you keep Zulu Time . I also like this part of the year when both commutes are light.

However, having at least one daylight commute in winter and lovely long evenings in the summer..... Maybe this would be better.

 

[meenaghman]

I agree that the 30 mins is an average based on the longitudinal lines. In Winter when the light in the morning is a concern then then sunrise (I'm 7.8 degrees W of the Meridian) would tend to be >30mins later, in the summer time it would tend to <30 mins later.
There are a number of other things to consider also. Twilight hrs are greater the further N one goes, so therefore the nights are "brighter for longer/sooner" for want of a better phrase. If one is near a W coast this brightness gets a further amplification in the twilight hrs due to reflection of the water.

 

[Adasta]

I support the idea.

Also, GMT would always remain; we'd just change to CET or something, wouldn't we?