RLJ London

[hackbike 6]

Peds dont like or trust us either.Can't say I always like peds road behavior really but as BM said somewhere you have to make allowences I guess.
One question,why don't cyclists of the motor variety RLJ?

 

[dondare]

One question,why don't cyclists of the motor variety RLJ?

They do, in two ways. Firstly, they always go to the front of the queue which means they're well in front of the stop line which is legally the same as going through a red. Secondly, they accelerate away as soon as they see the amber light which is while the red is still showing and the green isn't.

 

[wlc1]

I have to be honest - when I'm on the way to work at 4am... yes 4 am, I do resent waiting at red lights when there is absolutely nothing coming.

I mean - stopping looking, looking again and looking again.. if it's clear I'll go.

I defy anyone to admit to never jumping a red. We've al done it.

 

[dondare]

I have jumped reds in the past but I don't do it now. I resent stopping for no good reason but I stop anyway.

 

[hackbike 6]

I have to be honest - when I'm on the way to work at 4am... yes 4 am, I do resent waiting at red lights when there is absolutely nothing coming.

I mean - stopping looking, looking again and looking again.. if it's clear I'll go.

I defy anyone to admit to never jumping a red. We've al done it.

(Not me blatantly)

I commute at 4am as well....Im never in a hurry to get to work anyway ,good commute today while I got soaked as it rained,not quite 4am as I left at 0445am.I only get cheesed off at the bad traffic light's,ones with poor phasing or ones that are supposed to detect bikes? but don't,bit like those traffic light's at Stratford.

I have jumped reds in the past but I don't do it now. I resent stopping for no good reason but I stop anyway.

You have seen the light.

A good example of not being in hurrry was,I was approaching Southwark Bridge this morning but with the single lane due to the roadworks,I was being bugged by a vehicle behind me.I pulled in to the left.It was a van towing a camper that passed me plus a few cars.When they had gone I proceeded on my merry way only to hit an unknown object in the road, under the bridge very near Southwark Bridge.I lost the front wheel a bit but steadied her.Don't know what it was but it was some heavy,metal object?

Front wheel undamaged as far as I can tell.

I thought I could have hit that object with the camper van behind me if I hadn't let it pass.

 

[Perry]

I prefer stopping at lights.

1) I can have a drink

2) Interval riding/training is much better for fitness

3) I don't want to give cyclists a bad name, we get enough sh1t as it is.

 

[Perry]

poppycock!!

Being stationary, with cars stationary behind you is not dangerous

I agree but there was an occasion were I was stopped, a milk float was behind me. He thought I went when I hadn't - wrote my bike off

That being said, I still stop.

 

[hackbike 6]

Ironically yesterday I had stopped at temporary traffic lights when this big car came storming up at me.So I moved past the traffic signal so the moton could get a good view of the red and also protect me a bit if it went tits up.He stopped then I moved to a safer position till the motons had passed when the lights changed.Although I didn't need to jump them I can see the point that *rarely* this happens making RLJ an option when safety is compromised although it would have been even more dangerous to do it this time with the roadwork situation.

 

[User482]

The closest I've come to an accident recently is when a cyclist decided to jump the toucan that I was crossing - he ended up on the pavement in order to avoid me, so it's as well that there were no pedestrians about. Will this incident change his approach? I doubt it.

 

[andyfromotley]

You can't even spell,seems like sensible advice.(not)

I know whose advice I would seek first,BentMikey's of course.

idiot

 

[hackbike 6]

I agree but there was an occasion were I was stopped, a milk float was behind me. He thought I went when I hadn't - wrote my bike off

That being said, I still stop.

Wow that's harsh.Not your fault obviously.

 

[andyfromotley]

Apparently young Andy's a copper, or so he likes to make out if I've not misunderstood. Fine example.

used to be mikey, keep up.

 

[andyfromotley]

Thanks.



Pros of RLJing:

+ You'll get to work slightly quicker than the others. NOPE - i will get there quicker than I would have done)
+ You back your road-sense and so far your judgement has been 100% spot-on. You're not causing any danger - because you haven't caused any accidents yet. TRUE
Cons of RLJing:
-You're breaking the law. TRUE (just as you all were when you had flashing led lights before they were legal)
-You're endangering others by your actions. UNTRUE and laughable
-You're setting a bad example to other cyclists who will follow you - maybe without looking. Are you serious? I refuse to accept responsibility for others who cycle through lights one green amber or red, without looking.
-If you have an accident as a consequence of RLJing it will be your fault and on your conscience. Factually and legally incorrect. I assume you recall the recent case where a motorist texting was jailed for killing a RLJ
-Witnesses will not support you after a RLJ incident. Witnesses relate what they saw. They dont 'support'anyone.
-You will have no excuses when explaining yourself to friends or the police. If you say so.
-You give all cyclists a bad name by your actions. Some road users may not give you and other cyclists as much respect. i refuse to accept responsibility for motorists who stereotype a whole community for the actions of some. Just as i dont judge all of them by the actions of drink drivers/speeders etc.You really need to take it up with them - not me

Gosh i've been away for a week did you miss me.

Question 1. Can anyone provide evidence that RLJ is dangerous?

andy

 

[BentMikey]

No wonder you're no longer a copper!

 

[dondare]

Gosh i've been away for a week did you miss me.

Question 1. Can anyone provide evidence that RLJ is dangerous?

andy

Why should it have to be? It's illegal and antisocial.

Anyway,
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