Sad conversation with wobbly cyclist

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Spinney

Bimbleur extraordinaire
Location
Back up north
I think there is a big difference between 'making a judgement' in your head or via a comment on an internet forum - which is what Richard Lawrence has done, and the kind of judgement that this thread is about which involves berating others in real life for not doing as you think they should.

Those bullying cyclists in the first post - there's nothing wrong with them thinking that Mr Wobbly Cyclist is too slow/timid etc. They can think what they like. The problem is when those thoughts turn into bullying behaviour.
 

Spinney

Bimbleur extraordinaire
Location
Back up north
There is something wrong with thinking like that though - it leads directly to bullying behaviour. That's like saying there's nothing wrong with thinking some people or races are naturally inferior as long as people don't act on their thoughts.
Thought police, eh?
 

I like Skol

A Minging Manc...
I think there is a big difference between 'making a judgement' in your head or via a comment on an internet forum - which is what Richard Lawrence has done, and the kind of judgement that this thread is about which involves berating others in real life for not doing as you think they should.
Sorry but I am sure what was said(typed) in this thread was real life? I'm sure I am sat at a real computer having a real debate on a PUBLIC forum.

This is real life and what was said/typed was not just a private thought but has been aired in public!
 

Spinney

Bimbleur extraordinaire
Location
Back up north
Sorry but I am sure what was said(typed) in this thread was real life? I'm sure I am sat at a real computer having a real debate on a PUBLIC forum.

This is real life and what was said/typed was not just a private thought but has been aired in public!

My point was that saying so on here probably has minimal or no effect on the 'wobbly cyclists' we are discussing (sticking to this, rather than to the digression of helmets). If a wobbly cyclist is reading this, they are also reading the supportive comments as well.

IMO this is far different to having a lyrca-clad racing snake yelling at you on the road, with no alternative supportive opinions to hand and when you are already feeling nervous.

Substitute 'in the flesh' or 'on the road' in what I said if that makes you happier.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
There must be something in the London water/smog that turns some folk into d!ckheads when commuting.

I hope your wife doesn't get the same treatment.


You really think it's just in London?
 

e-rider

Banned member
Location
South West
This happened a couple of months ago but I just wanted to share it. I was cycling home along the Ruckholt one-way in Leyton which is not a pleasant narrow road with a death-trap-door-zone cycle lane which I avoid by sticking to primary. I found myself behind a male cyclist who was clearly nervous, unconfident and a bit wobbly! He tootled along quite hesitantly and I was behind a good bike’s length and noticed he kept looking over his shoulder to me. As the traffic stopped at lights we both slowly edge up the cycle lane as there was plenty of space although he was struggling a bit with the space there was. We reach a lorry who’s wheels were on the cycle lane. I stopped and so did he, still looking occassionaly over his shoulder. He was looking up the inside and started to edge up.


Paraphrasing….

I told him “Don’t go on my account, I’m stopping here anyway”


Him “Phew, didn’t want to go up there as it looked a squeeze but saw you behind me”

Me “So what, do what you feel comfortable with not what the others do”

Him “I’ve only been riding a few weeks and I sometimes get loads of abuse from other cyclists in central London so I assume I’m doing something wrong if not pushing through”

Me “Ignore those ***holes and don’t ever do anything you don’t feel is safe. If it slows them down, tough, they’ll just have to wait until it’s safe to pass you”

Him “Thank you”


So, if you’re ever one of these cyclists that bully the unconfident into doing something you find easy but they don’t, please bog off. The reason I’m saying this is that my wife is toying with the idea of commuting into central London. She is a very wobbly cyclist and my fear is that she will be pushed into riding into situations she feels isn’t safe by arrogant cyclists.


That is all, thank you.
going down the inside of a lorry is never safe whoever you are - it's very sad that some people are feeling pressured into making such a crazy and dangerous move
 

sidevalve

Über Member
going down the inside of a lorry is never safe whoever you are - it's very sad that some people are feeling pressured into making such a crazy and dangerous move
True to most of the above comments [the relevant ones anyway]. However I do have a couple of points 1 - yes cycling is dangerous everything is dangerous, getting out of bed is dangerous, putting on you shoes is dangerous [check the the number of people who have been injured putting on socks !] The simple fact is you controle the danger - you don't ride with your eyes closed, you fit some sort of brake to your bike. To say cycling isn't dangerous is like the ridiculous statement "speed kills" - it does not, never has never will. It is speed in the wrong place and/ or at the wrong time that kills and instead of the complication of teaching drivers [and riders] better skills this simple but cliche is rolled out.. After all you wouldn't tell a small child that there is no danger when riding his bike - the first time he falls off [and most of us do] he's just going to call you a liar, and he would be right.
However the REALLY [and I mean REALLY] sad thing here is that these riders [I will not call them cyclists] are behaving like the worst form of pig headed bullying car drivers we all love to hate. A sad reflection on our times.
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
This happened a couple of months ago but I just wanted to share it. I was cycling home along the Ruckholt one-way in Leyton which is not a pleasant narrow road with a death-trap-door-zone cycle lane which I avoid by sticking to primary. I found myself behind a male cyclist who was clearly nervous, unconfident and a bit wobbly! He tootled along quite hesitantly and I was behind a good bike’s length and noticed he kept looking over his shoulder to me. As the traffic stopped at lights we both slowly edge up the cycle lane as there was plenty of space although he was struggling a bit with the space there was. We reach a lorry who’s wheels were on the cycle lane. I stopped and so did he, still looking occassionaly over his shoulder. He was looking up the inside and started to edge up.


Paraphrasing….

I told him “Don’t go on my account, I’m stopping here anyway”


Him “Phew, didn’t want to go up there as it looked a squeeze but saw you behind me”

Me “So what, do what you feel comfortable with not what the others do”

Him “I’ve only been riding a few weeks and I sometimes get loads of abuse from other cyclists in central London so I assume I’m doing something wrong if not pushing through”

Me “Ignore those ***holes and don’t ever do anything you don’t feel is safe. If it slows them down, tough, they’ll just have to wait until it’s safe to pass you”

Him “Thank you”


So, if you’re ever one of these cyclists that bully the unconfident into doing something you find easy but they don’t, please bog off. The reason I’m saying this is that my wife is toying with the idea of commuting into central London. She is a very wobbly cyclist and my fear is that she will be pushed into riding into situations she feels isn’t safe by arrogant cyclists.


That is all, thank you.
Seriously glad this fella met you , good chance that encounter will make him a better cyclist.

Nice.
 
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