Should police swoop on cyclists who ignore red lights? (ES poll)

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by patheticshark, 8 Jan 2008.

  1. User482

    User482 Guest

    I agree with this. It is a grossly irrational, hypocritical and unfair attitude, but we've all heard it. My commute to work involves three crossings at cycle/ pedestrian pelicans - it's very noticeable that cars RLJ much more often when I'm there on my own, as opposed to when pedestrians are waiting.
     
  2. magnatom

    magnatom Guest

    Your a little confrontational today aren't you Dom:rolleyes:

    Indeed they do, but does that make it right. Does that mean that it should be allowed. I think you will find that the police come down quite hard on speeding (although the courts don't always).

    Perception plays a big part, especially as we are a minority. If we want to improve the perception of cyclists then we have to follow the laws of the land.

    At the moment speeding is culturally acceptable. Drink driving was once acceptable. I think/hope that one day this will change.
     
  3. Tetedelacourse

    Tetedelacourse New Member

    Location:
    Rosyth
    Police setting out to specifically catch cycling RLJers is not best use of their time.

    I've been reluctantly convinced that RLJing gets motorists' backs up, but I've yet to be convinced that it's dangerous, or at least as dangerous as other motoring offences that are committed routinely on the roads eg speeding, mobile phones, RLJ in cars, tailgating, lack of insurance etc etc etc.

    The fuzz should prioritise their overstretched resources accordingly.
     
  4. wafflycat

    wafflycat New Member

    Location:
    middle of Norfolk
    Well said. Where I live, I see far more motorists jumping red lghts than cyclists, yet the meeja would have us believe it's only cyclists who are the problem. All RLJ'ers irrespective of mode of transport should be targeted, not just one little group within the RLJ'ers.
     
  5. domtyler

    domtyler Über Member

    Not a prize as such, but you do get a clip round the ear ;)
     
  6. domtyler

    domtyler Über Member

    Unfortunately I have been given work to do today so only had a few seconds to offend as many people as possible get my points across. ;):biggrin:
     
  7. tdr1nka

    tdr1nka Taking the biscuit

    a cycle clip is that?


    ;)

    T x
     
  8. tdr1nka

    tdr1nka Taking the biscuit

    If you have Police stopping cycle RLJ's, it surely stands to reason their presence at a junction should not only deter motorists from jumping the lights, they'd be able to catch them at it too?

    T x
     
  9. domtyler

    domtyler Über Member

    Surely it's mostly down to Global Warming? :biggrin:
     
  10. Cab

    Cab New Member

    Location:
    Cambridge
    True, at a personal level I'd love to see cyclists who RLJ get caught and fined, its an irritating thing that they do! And yes, they do get us all a bad name, and I'd love to see them stopped from doing that. But thats as far as I can go and still agree with you :biggrin:

    Blitzing cyclists on a single issue doesn't work, at least not when I've seen it done. I've seen this happen with RLJing, I've seen it with lights, and a month after the blitz the streets here in Cambridge are as infested with RLJers or unlit cyclists as they were before. Therefore I don't accept that the problem isnt solveable with a crack down.

    And even if it was, there are more worthy targets that cause more harm and distress.

    To solve this you have to address what the cause of the problem is, just fining those you catch over a fortnights period doesn't do that. And the cause of this problem on our roads, like many others, is that there is an endemic opinion that if you're not obviously causing any harm it is okay to break the rules. So its the same as motorists RLJing, speeding, etc. You can't have a once in a while crackdown and expect it to cause a cultural change.
     
  11. Cab

    Cab New Member

    Location:
    Cambridge
    Yep, they get complaints about it (I'd be fascinated to see a demographic breakdown of those complaining about it). That in itself doesn't justify spending resources on it though. Why should it?
     
  12. Cab

    Cab New Member

    Location:
    Cambridge
    While you're right that speeding is an endemic crime, its less visible because it is so endemic. Cyclists getting to the front of the queue of traffic and crossing the white line in front of motorists is way mote visible. Re-read the post you were responding to, the point was correct in that context.
     
  13. Cab

    Cab New Member

    Location:
    Cambridge
    No, the 'fact' being derived from the oft-discussed data on RLJing. The 'fact' being that RLJers are not reported as being responsible for accidents or as causing serious injury.

    Interesting, isn't it? And do you notice that the police largely ignore them, even though there are more of them than cyclists and they have the potential to cause much more harm? Rather makes the claim that RLJing cyclists are a problem seem... I dunno... rather petty.

    What is it that you think I'm defending?
     
  14. PrettyboyTim

    PrettyboyTim New Member

    Location:
    Brighton
    Yeah, yeah - the same old excuse used by speeding motorists. "Why are you bothering me doing my <insert allegedly 'minor' offence here> when you could be off catching rapists and murderers?" I could almost be on a SafeSpeed forum.

    Let's get things in perspective here: RLJing by cyclists is rife among a sizeable minority - and the Police have decided to do a limited-time crackdown on it. What's the problem? It's not as if they're suddenly dedicating a quarter of their annual budget to the problem. RLJing is illegal, it is dangerous and it is anti-social. Are you seriously suggesting it should be completely ignored by the Police?
     
  15. Cab

    Cab New Member

    Location:
    Cambridge
    Depends on the bus lane. I can think of one in Cambridge where they'd be mad to do so, its almost unavoidable that those not intimitely familiar with Newmarket Road will end up in the bus lane at some point.

    But yeah, fair question, and I don't know whether I'd object or not. Got any data that says that using bus lanes is causing an increase in accidents or adversely affecting other road users in any way? If not, I'd say that a blitz is uncalled for but nick'em if you catch 'em (as for RLJing cyclists). If yes, then depending on the increase in risk I'd say yeah, spend resources that way.
     
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