SMIDSY becoming enshrined in law.

[Alun]

Again the point is that as an experienced cyclist YOU know, but does the average BSO rider?

Some lorries now carry a warning sign on the rear advising cyclists not to filter up their LHS, which will hopefully help the inexperienced rider, and maybe some experienced riders as well.

 

[PpPete]

Again the point is that as an experienced cyclist YOU know, but does the average BSO rider?

Adds weight to the argument put forward by that twunt from Addisn Lee (CBA to look up his name) about cyclists needing (amongst other things) more training !

 

[PpPete]

Only if you accept that cyclists shouldn't filter past lorries on the left as a matter of principle not practicality. The fact is that it should be safe to do it and that is the standard we should be aiming for.

Agree entirely ! Question is, HOW ?

 

[sandman]

I'm not quite sure what point or question you are making.
However, I am not saying that anything justifies people being killed on the roads but I am saying that. in general, cyclists could do more to ensure their own safety. Being unwise/foolish/reckless is certainly not likely to help us.

Sorry, I don't understand the point about electrical safety. I'm not sure what you are getting at.

True, but you're wasting your breath I fear against ye commuting folks of CC.

Where the standard is to put the cyclist high up on a pedestal and have other traffic find their own way around them.

 

[sandman]

Only if you accept that cyclists shouldn't filter past lorries on the left as a matter of principle not practicality. The fact is that it should be safe to do it and that is the standard we should be aiming for.

It is safe if done correctly, like all manner of dangerous tasks that are carried out - including dealing with any electrical hazards

 

[sandman]

Recycler's logic is sound. The boy Dawesome has some major squabbles and is looking to the far ends of the earth to make a point.

 

[Recycler]

Again the point is that as an experienced cyclist YOU know, but does the average BSO rider?

TBH I wouldn't describe myself as an experienced cyclist. I am still learning.

However, I would expect that anyone who rides a bike has the nouse to make themselves familiar with the basics of the Highway Code which is pretty clear on the question of HGV's and bikes. Some of the points in my multiple choice (7 & 8 in particular) are also no more than simple common sense.

My concern, however, is not who is to blame rather what we can do to make things a little safer for ourselves. There is little point lying on a hospital bed with broken bones saying "It was his fault" rather than being at home saying "That was a narrow escape, I'm glad I did XYZ"

 

[Recycler]

Obviously, just don't tell Recycler though.

Blimey, does that mean I've been elevated to the rank of arch-villain?

What I have been saying is not "Don't left filter at all". I am simply saying "Don't left filter without taking extra care. Think before you get in that gap"

 

[sandman]

TBH I wouldn't describe myself as an experienced cyclist. I am still learning.

However, I would expect that anyone who rides a bike has the nouse to make themselves familiar with the basics of the Highway Code which is pretty clear on the question of HGV's and bikes. Some of the points in my multiple choice (7 & 8 in particular) are also no more than simple common sense.

My concern, however, is not who is to blame rather what we can do to make things a little safer for ourselves. There is little point lying on a hospital bed with broken bones saying "It was his fault" rather than being at home saying "That was a narrow escape, I'm glad I did XYZ"

Yep, fully agreed.

 

[Recycler]

The last incident I had was at a set of lights.

I was in primary on the inside lane about 50 yards from the crossroads and at the end of a queue of vehicles.. HGV pulled alongside in the outside lane and then as the traffic progressed "left hooked" to the junction.

Absolutely nothing I could do.

What happened? I assume that you weren't killed?

 

[Dan B]

True, but you're wasting your breath I fear against ye commuting folks of CC.

Where the standard is to put the cyclist high up on a pedestal and have other traffic find their own way around them.

Provided that pedestrians are elevated even higher - and the inform, elderly or disabled among their number raised to the top of the tree entirely - I see nothing wrong with this standard. It's called the Hierarchy of Provision

 

[sandman]

Blimey, does that mean I've been elevated to the rank of arch-villain?

What I have been saying is not "Don't left filter at all". I am simply saying "Don't left filter without taking extra care. Think before you get in that gap"

You've done nothing wrong mate. It's just extremely sad that other people's perception is warped to the point where they can really see cyclists doing no wrong at all, and that it is all the motorits fault.

Some of the threads in the past when I've been lurking have amounted to an unbelievable amount of motorist bashing but when the boot is on the other foot then it's a lot less so.

 

[sandman]

Provided that pedestrians are elevated even higher - and the inform, elderly or disabled among their number raised to the top of the tree entirely - I see nothing wrong with this standard. It's called the Hierarchy of Provision

Not quite sure where you are going with the above but it's not relevent to the original point that I was making.

 

[Recycler]

True, but you're wasting your breath I fear against ye commuting folks of CC.

In fairness, I suspect that these things are debated more hotly in "Commuting" because commuters are riding in rush hour and will experience the problems a lot more.
There are also many commuting Londoners hereabouts and traffic volumes in the capital are horrendous. I'm not sure that I would fancy it.

That's my theory anyhow.

 

[Dan B]

My concern, however, is not who is to blame

JUst to clarify, you disagree with PK99 (post 33) on this matter?