Drago
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Unless you only own a solitary Allen key, in which case its superb.
Snapped spindle
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Unless you only own a solitary Allen key, in which case its superb.
Dogtrousers
Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
IIRC we had quite a nice civilised discussion a month or two back about different types of BB for a forthcoming project of mine. It is possible.
I'm still pondering what to do about that by the way. I might wait until spring so my nice brand new kit doesn't get immediately exposed to the tail end of winter.
I won't be taking anything from this thread into account for that project. It's been very entertaining but not at all enlightening.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Captain Hindsight rules them all eh Mister fossyant?
My avatar bike is the result of trying, testing, throwing away the things that proved as crap, keeping the things that proved as best.
I wanted to test the bike with HollowTech2, was told it wasn't compatible, was offered the then to me unknown Octalink instead, gave it a chance, it proved as crap, back to square taper.
What would you do, keeping riding it until a next ride through water on street after a downpour makes you suddenly loose your left crank after half a year not happening anymore?
It's a design with a flaw that poses the risk of a smack as a sudden event without a warning. The recommended tool for such bicycle parts is a garbage bin.
I just did and do what is logical to do.
The Hollow Technology acts more alike AI: it either works or either fails miserably, with not much inbetween.
Because a crank that all of sudden looses, haha ?!
Because a crank that all of sudden falls apart in two pieces, haha ?!
Because a leg powered spindle that all of sudden breaks in two pieces, haha ?!
The latter is even more humorous, because HollowTech2 was a major design move from a 3 pieces crankset to 2 pieces, that the break returns to 3 pieces.
Only that the involved risk on injury is able to wash away laughes from faces.
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Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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- Inside my skull
I made no such claim for all HT2 crank models, nor any such claim for HT2 bottom brackets. The HT2 cranks on my bike can be removed with just an Allen key. Once I have loosened the bolts, I am able to pull the left crank off with hands and gentle force. The drive side I can remove by giving the spindle a gentle tap at left end with the palm of my hand. Then pull from the drive side with gentle force again. Lifting the chain off the rings to make it easier. I wear decent reusable mechanics gloves whilst doing this.
You see, I do my own maintenance, and speak from experience. I take care installing, so that removal does not become an onerous task. I buy and use the correct tools for the job. I use grease or anti seize where I think appropriate. For the HT2 BB I have the appropriate tool. If I start to hear creaking or there is little play, I investigate and will replace a BB if necessary before the bearings are shot, or reseat the cranks and tighten the bolts if it’s occurring just after I’ve refitted the cranks.
I do not take my bikes to a man with a hammer and chisel. Nor make claims about cranks or bike technologies or even particular models I haven’t experience of.
I wasn’t joking.
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Steam hammer for the win
I already asked you pages ago:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7570039
Do you try here again to restart the discussion?
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Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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- Inside my skull
How can there be discussion when I speak from what I actually do from experience and works without fuss? What you found on the Internet is generic, and not written for a specific model or even make of Hollowtech crankset. You are simply wrong if you claim I need more than Allen keys to remove my HT2 cranks. Even the YouTube video your links eventually reach does not suggest hammer and chisel to remove the BB. It says nothing about the BB.
This reminds me of a teenager who has found a book on driving, never having driven, explaining to a police advanced driving instructor what he is doing wrong.
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Dogtrousers
Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Q: If I was using one system of BB and swapped to the other, would it transform my cycling experience?
A: No. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference on a blind test.
Q: Would it transform my maintenance experience?
No: They are both easy to maintain with the right tools.
Q: But would I need to buy a load of new tools?
A: Yes, some. A crank extractor, a cartridge extractor and some appropriate spanner(s) for ST; an Allen key and a BB shell spanner for HT (plus a wooden or rubber mallet may come in handy)
Q: What kind of chisel do I need?
A: You do not need a chisel. Save that for butchering your fixed gear lock rings, you monster.
Q: Would it change the frequency of maintenance?
A: Maybe, it depends how much maintenance you already do. You can more safely neglect a cartridge BB. (That's my experience anyway)
Q: Is one system much more expensive than the other?
A: Not really, you can probably find something to suit your budget in either. You can probably also find ludicrously expensive examples of both to point at and say "how much?"
Q: Is one system more prone to failure than the other?
A: Don't know, insufficient data. They both can fail but they are both very reliable so it's not something you need to worry about
Q: So what's all the fuss about?
A: What fuss?
A: No. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference on a blind test.
Q: Would it transform my maintenance experience?
No: They are both easy to maintain with the right tools.
Q: But would I need to buy a load of new tools?
A: Yes, some. A crank extractor, a cartridge extractor and some appropriate spanner(s) for ST; an Allen key and a BB shell spanner for HT (plus a wooden or rubber mallet may come in handy)
Q: What kind of chisel do I need?
A: You do not need a chisel. Save that for butchering your fixed gear lock rings, you monster.
Q: Would it change the frequency of maintenance?
A: Maybe, it depends how much maintenance you already do. You can more safely neglect a cartridge BB. (That's my experience anyway)
Q: Is one system much more expensive than the other?
A: Not really, you can probably find something to suit your budget in either. You can probably also find ludicrously expensive examples of both to point at and say "how much?"
Q: Is one system more prone to failure than the other?
A: Don't know, insufficient data. They both can fail but they are both very reliable so it's not something you need to worry about
Q: So what's all the fuss about?
A: What fuss?
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fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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- South Manchester
Captain Hindsight rules them all eh Mister fossyant?
My avatar bike is the result of trying, testing, throwing away the things that proved as crap, keeping the things that proved as best.
I wanted to test the bike with HollowTech2, was told it wasn't compatible, was offered the then to me unknown Octalink instead, gave it a chance, it proved as crap, back to square taper.
What would you do, keeping riding it until a next ride through water on street after a downpour makes you suddenly loose your left crank after half a year not happening anymore?
It's a design with a flaw that poses the risk of a smack as a sudden event without a warning. The recommended tool for such bicycle parts is a garbage bin.
My bikes don't fall to bits like yours.
