Statin tablets.

[raleighnut]

My Doctor wanted me to start taking Statins and I said I wasn't that keen so she just said "Fair enough" and didn't prescribe them.

 

[fossyant]

It made my short term memory go to pot (things like not remembering whether I'd sent a work email 15 minutes later!) I was ok on 50mg but 100mg was too much. The lower dose didn't really help with the sleep disturbance due to nighttime pain so I stopped (under medical supervision)

Same here, plus literally feeling numb. Gabapentin slightly worse, felt like I'd had a frontal lobotomy - fuzzy feeling in the front of my head. Duloxetine, apart from brain zaps, lack of nerve feeling, problems in the gentleman's department, they worked well for pain. Amitriptyline just made me feel weird and forget things. Tried them, but they just weren't worth the side effects.

 

[Bill Gates]

Still think that High Cholesterol is bad? Then you should watch this through. Around the 25 minute mark on the video it is shown conclusively that people with the Highest Cholesterol live the longest. They suffer less from all cause mortality than people with lower cholesterol.
This guy articulates what I am saying far better than I can.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlhG8_nZe0

 

[classic33]

At the end of the day it's a personal choice. I can understand the pressures of doctors and family. One doctor told me 14 years ago that if I didn't take statins I would be dead within 2 years. Try telling that to your wife and still not take statins. The journalists and preeminent doctors who are exposing the truth about statins get regular attacks from the establishment. Its par for the course. Same on here.

Here's the thing. Having spent literally hours and hours researching this for my own benefit I absolutely believe that: -

Fat is not bad for you
Fat is good for you
Refined carbohydrates are bad for you
High Cholesterol is not a factor in CVD

Those of you with an open mind should watch this. The whole premise on which statin medication is based is false. Namely that fat is bad for you and High cholesterol is bad for you. Also check out Nina Teicholz.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC9V1TWYLo4

Another pushing his own poison, whilst charging non too cheaply for his stuff that does work. Also in 2007, he was fined and reprimanded by the Virginia Board of Medicine for:
“…bogus muscle tests that supposedly are related to body organs.”

 

[mjr]

I've obviously missed the details in previous threads, but that's an extremely emphatic declaration.
They may be poison to you; they may have been mis-prescribed. The side-effects of statins are very well documented, but are not a certainty; my Dad has been on them for years with no side-effects.
They do not appear to be "poison" to all. Can you concede the possibility that many find statins extremely useful to manage atherosclerosis?

Actually, he's got a point in that one claim. Statins work by deliberately inhibiting a bodily function that we don't fully understand. They might be poison, or merely toxic (we know they can injure). They're far from the only drug to do that, though, so that alone doesn't mean they should be avoided in all situations. Two of the replacement drugs (alirocumab and elirocumab) block a different bodily function that's not entirely understood. At this stage in medical development, we're basically trying to avoid landmines with only a tiny narrow flashlight and no map. When we get things like continuous arterial monitoring, we'll have a better idea how we die, what works and what doesn't.

As to whether they're useful in managing atherosclerosis or are a red herring profitable for some, time will tell. All we can do is listen to our bodies, our test results and our medical advisors, probably in that order of priority.

 

[snorri]

Now people, can we stop the slanging match and stick to the subject I started ?

No, is the short answer.
There are some very experienced cyclists on this forum who will offer sound advice in regard to adjustments to your bicycle which will alleviate pains in wrists, hands, or a***, brought on by cycling, but when it comes to health problems in general, best to consult your local GP.

 

[Bill Gates]

No, is the short answer.
There are some very experienced cyclists on this forum who will offer sound advice in regard to adjustments to your bicycle which will alleviate pains in wrists, hands, or a***, brought on by cycling, but when it comes to health problems in general, best to consult your local GP.

I did and he gave me statins. Sound advice not.

 

[gavroche]

No, is the short answer.
There are some very experienced cyclists on this forum who will offer sound advice in regard to adjustments to your bicycle which will alleviate pains in wrists, hands, or a***, brought on by cycling, but when it comes to health problems in general, best to consult your local GP.

Agreed but it is also interesting to have the views of people who have first hand experience of using it as patients.

 

[vickster]

Agreed but it is also interesting to have the views of people who have first hand experience of using it as patients.

Everyone is different though and will react differently to different medication for example as this thread shows already.
If you have concerns or questions, address to your Dr who is familiar with your medical history / medical condition for which they were prescribed

 

[classic33]

I did and he gave me statins. Sound advice not.

To which you could have said "No".

 

[mjr]

Everyone is different though and will react differently to different medication for example as this thread shows already.
If you have concerns or questions, address to your Dr who is familiar with your medical history / medical condition for which they were prescribed

But if in doubt, ask another doctor who can see your notes. My memory loss is from a time when I had a GP who fancied himself as a heart health specialist and never referred me to hospital care as NICE guidelines direct. It was only when I saw a locum by chance that all this was discovered.

 

[mjr]

To which you could have said "No".

And get labelled as rejecting treatment, which then gets you refused life insurance... Much better to say you're not keen like @raleighnut did and hope they either withdraw the suggestion or refer you to specialists IMO.

 

[vickster]

To which you could have said "No".

And read the pack insert to educate self on potential side effects/interactions (or indeed ask the Dr what these might be)

 

[classic33]

And get labelled as rejecting treatment, which then gets you refused life insurance... Much better to say you're not keen like @raleighnut did and hope they either withdraw the suggestion or refer you to specialists IMO.

I'd say most Doctors would ask you why you said "No", giving you the chance to explain why. They could then offer another course of treatment.

Insurance companies don't have access to your medical records by the way.

 

[mjr]

I'd say most Doctors would ask you why you said "No", giving you the chance to explain why. They could then offer another course of treatment.

Insurance companies don't have access to your medical records by the way.

No, they ask your permission to ask the nobber GP whose treatment suggestion you refused. Depends on the doctor but I'd be careful about giving any flat "No" lest you suffer the same fate.