Taking off the door mirror...

[nickyboy]

I beg to differ. In my view, if we are talking door mirrors, then my response is rational, measured and proportionate.

And therein lies the nub of this discussion. I happen to think your response is irrational, unmeasured and disproportionate. You can bang on about all the reasons why you think otherwise but we won't agree.

Interestingly, the law wouldn't agree with you either

 

[HLaB]

Tooken off two mirrors in my time (none of them have been on purpose ). Filtered through a gap in poor visibility and my jacket caught a mirror (although it wasnt tooken off completely and just required me to go back, apologise and push it back into place). The second time was not my fault; a driver coming from behind clipped my bars and sent me to the floor and the mirror smashed to peices (It might be wrong of me but I hope it was an expensive mirror, especially as the police decided to drop the case and the driver gave them the wrong insurance details).

 

[nickyboy]

We?

"we" as in @GrumpyGregry and me

 

[glenn forger]

I remember one where a car came out of a side road on my right and turned towards me, but it was a lazy turn, way over my side, i veered sharp left and still took his wing mirror off with my bars. he slowed, I stopped, he drove away. I kicked his mirror out of the road.

 

[Linford]

We?

Yes..we

I've had a few instances where I've folded back a door mirror where an oncoming car which has an obstruction has tried to put me on the pavement as they think they automatically have priority over a cycle because they are bigger, but no, I've not felt the need to inflict £300+ worth of damage to let them know they are in the wrong.

Funny enough, the last one to do it declared themself to be a fully paid up CTC member, and insisted I had no right to ride through a cycle plug/no entry for cars...and that was why he tried to squeeze me out.

 

[green1]

Totally wrong IMO, Following that logic does that mean the Peds are allowed to kick all the spokes out red light jumpers back wheels when they are nearly run down?

 

[glenn forger]

Only if you think hurting people is the same as damaging property.

 

[green1]

And if the bso doesn't have a mirror?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

And therein lies the nub of this discussion. I happen to think your response is irrational, unmeasured and disproportionate. You can bang on about all the reasons why you think otherwise but we won't agree.

Indeed. That is the nub. I'm not looking for validation of my position from complete strangers. I'm just interested in your opinion. Whether we agree or not is immaterial. It's an exchange of ideas I'm after. But inevitably such a touchy subject has also drawn out some fairly preachy responses and cod-psychoanalysis. But even those responses are interesting in themselves.

Interestingly, the law wouldn't agree with you either

Depends on what you mean by "the law." Another story... Zzzzzzzzz

I once reported a driver to Crackdown, it's recorded on here somewhere, who tried quite hard to kill me in her husband's company car. Which I kicked, and damaged, in a vain attempted to get her to move over rather than crush me against an earth bank whilst squeezing past, with about a 3mph speed differential, on a blind brow in the face of a vehicle coming the other way. I, deservedly, got a letter of reprimand from plod as a result of my actions. I admitted what the law says is criminal damage. The servants of the law decided my actions were not worth prosecuting. Cue said woman going potty.

The letter was delivered in person at the local station as it is down the road from where I work. The traffic sergeant grinned his way through the entire conversation with me and his parting words were "I reckon she got off quite lightly. If it had been me...."

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Totally wrong IMO, Following that logic does that mean the Peds are allowed to kick all the spokes out red light jumpers back wheels when they are nearly run down?

Does that mean Pedestrians are allowed to kick all the spokes out of a red light jumpers back wheels when the RLJ-er actually makes contact with them? Yes. The RLJ-er just assaulted them.

 

[Stu Plows]

Can see why people do it...

Just don't fancy my chances against a cage with someone having a bad day/temper in it.

 

[Linford]

I remember one where a car came out of a side road on my right and turned towards me, but it was a lazy turn, way over my side, i veered sharp left and still took his wing mirror off with my bars. he slowed, I stopped, he drove away. I kicked his mirror out of the road.

If you connected hard enough to remove a mirror with the handlebars you would swiftly follow it onto the road....along with the 'i bought an airzound, but have never used it in anger claim ....these are either works of fiction, or you are being very economical with the truth

 

[glenn forger]

I didn't say I'd never used the Airzound and I'll thank you not to lie about what I've said.

Cycle fifty thousand miles in London and we'll talk, you've never seen me cycle, you have no idea how I cycle so stop making stuff up.

 

[slowmotion]

Why doesn't somebody mention this thread on a petrolhead forum, just for fun?

 

[nickyboy]

Indeed. That is the nub. I'm not looking for validation of my position from complete strangers. I'm just interested in your opinion. Whether we agree or not is immaterial. It's an exchange of ideas I'm after. But inevitably such a touchy subject has also drawn out some fairly preachy responses and cod-psychoanalysis. But even those responses are interesting in themselves.


Depends on what you mean by "the law." Another story... Zzzzzzzzz

I once reported a driver to Crackdown, it's recorded on here somewhere, who tried quite hard to kill me in her husband's company car. Which I kicked, and damaged, in a vain attempted to get her to move over rather than crush me against an earth bank whilst squeezing past, with about a 3mph speed differential, on a blind brow in the face of a vehicle coming the other way. I, deservedly, got a letter of reprimand from plod as a result of my actions. I admitted what the law says is criminal damage. The servants of the law decided my actions were not worth prosecuting. Cue said woman going potty.

The letter was delivered in person at the local station as it is down the road from where I work. The traffic sergeant grinned his way through the entire conversation with me and his parting words were "I reckon she got off quite lightly. If it had been me...."

As you say, my opinion is only that, an opinion.

However, inasmuch as the current law represents the opinion of the wider society in which we live as regards what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior, chasing after motorists and then damaging their cars (regardless of what they had done to you previously) is unacceptable. You can argue whether the law is reasonable or not of course, but as it stands, society's rules (in their manifestation in the law) say unreasonable