Team BKool CycleChat

[perswe]

My Session 'Main' time was 39:32 in my home page ride stats which is what it said when I crossed the line
I started at 10:50 with Bridgy so my time was 28:32 plus 10 seconds = 28:42
Bridgy and Bill bested me on the finish line by 2 seconds and Bridgy left the start line before me bu no 6 seconds.
Regardless my handicap should be no more than Bridgy's next week because he beat me to the line.

My plan all along was to try and drag as many folk with then to reduce their handicaps so that Bridgy and I can take it a bit easier next time.
I don't know if you all noticed but we always slowed when approaching you to give you a chance to latch on so next time you see the train coming stoke up your boiler in readiness.

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Yes I noticed you slowing down from warp speed when passing me near the end. But I was busy trying to find small pockets of air to breathe. Rather quickly decided to focus on surviving. But thanks for the offer to assist a bit!

Om the whole, I caught up with most of the guys in front of me a few kms from the end and was caught by quite a few behind me roughly the same place. So that indicates I was awarded a pretty accurate start handicap. Hoping more will join around my handicap next time though...

Strava segment time same as moving time in bkool and watts the same as well so I guess that’s good.

 

[perswe]

yesterday reminds me of the Rule/quote "it never gets easier, you just go faster". I can attest to the former, but I think the jury is still out on the latter. Yesterday was particularely hard for me...I'm just hoping that a few more of these will make me faster. So either I do go faster eventually or you all agree to slow down...say 10%...that's not too much to ask, is it? Big thanks to @gbrown for organising!

Anyway, I think I will be better prepared than ever for the outdoor season hanging out with you guys. The current 10 inches of snow keeps me (un)comfortably inside on the trainer at least until April.

 

[keithaitch]

Is there a scheduled time for NC4 where most are taking part?

Tomorrow at 19:00 UK time

 

[bridgy]

the only problem there is that your sat for whatever your handicap is waiting, getting cold. I'm sure with out collective brainpower we can come up with the solution to this, so we can all start in the correct order, the correct amount of time apart and get the actual moving times for future handicaps. To be honest for me , though I've never been in at the death, I think the time on the course isn't important, if we get the start right it's the positions that count and trying to catch or keep away from others in the chase.

Agree the time on course less important than positioning in the handicap chase Keith, but for the starting handicaps to be accurate, Geoff needs the times so it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation! It usually takes a few runs on the same course to get the handicaps spot on for everyone.

When a ride is done within a league you get some extra data to look at as below - I'm wondering if the "low velocity" figure would match the time we're stationary n the line so make it easier to calculate moving time for everyone?

 

[keithaitch]

Agree the time on course less important than positioning in the handicap chase Keith, but for the starting handicaps to be accurate, Geoff needs the times so it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation! It usually takes a few runs on the same course to get the handicaps spot on for everyone.

When a ride is done within a league you get some extra data to look at as below - I'm wondering if the "low velocity" figure would match the time we're stationary n the line so make it easier to calculate moving time for everyone?

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andy, if we are all sat on the line pedalling and don't start until an agreed way of deciding when! then our moving time can be calculated using the first starters final time as the base and subtracting our handicap from that time and either subtracting the time we were ahead of him or adding the time we were behind him. Complicated but it would give an accurate ride team for @gbrown to use for handicapping calculations. The first starter gets the added pressure of having to finish!

 

[gbrown]

OK, careful analysis of the recordings has given me accurate start times for everyone, now I'll do the same for the finishes and will get accurate Moving Times.

Interesting to compare actual Start Times (in minutes and seconds after the warm-up ends) with the allocated Start Times, nearly everyone jumped the gun, some considerably! Prizes to Aleman, Bill and Keith for accuracy, I guess those who went off about 20 seconds early were going against the real time clock.

@bert1971 went a bit early, but to be fair the allocated Start Time was a guess and seems to have been a bit harsh anyway.

@rob01792, @BaldyZ1 and @bobinski didn't have allocated Start Times,

Tommy went 11 minutes early, but was just along for the ride!

 

[gbrown]

And analysing the Finish recordings give the Finish Times (and average power) for all finishers, and hence the Moving Times can be calculated!

This table should be the same as the finish on the road.

 

[gbrown]

So Corrected Times (Allocated Start Time + Moving Time)

Congratulations to @BILL S who won on corrected times, and to everyone who took part!
Small cuts to Handicaps earned by @Del C, @peterob, @BILL S, @bridgy and @AAAC 76C

Whorty needs a much more generous Handicap for the KICKR, as he was over 6 minutes slower.
I wonder if the watts shown are the actual watts reported by the power meter trainers, or still estimated from speed and presumed resistance by bkool?
Still, it shows how much more resistance the KICKR is giving, even on a flattish course, or just the absence of the bkool "momentum"?

And here are the Moving Times only, won by @bridgy, @AAAC 76C and @BILL S
Generally the higher watts were faster, with interesting exceptions (@peterob and @LBHIFI)

 

[Whorty]

So Corrected Times (Allocated Start Time + Moving Time)

Congratulations to @BILL S who won on corrected times, and to everyone who took part!
Small cuts to Handicaps earned by @Del C, @peterob, @BILL S, @bridgy and @AAAC 76C

Whorty needs a much more generous Handicap for the KICKR, as he was over 6 minutes slower.
I wonder if the watts shown are the actual watts reported by the power meter trainers, or still estimated from speed and presumed resistance by bkool?
Still, it shows how much more resistance the KICKR is giving, even on a flattish course, or just the absence of the bkool "momentum"?

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And here are the Moving Times only, won by @bridgy, @AAAC 76C and @BILL S
Generally the higher watts were faster, with interesting exceptions (@peterob and @LBHIFI)

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My watts for actual moving time of 39:58 minutes was 246 - the 220 figure also includes the 7 minutes sat on the line soft pedalling at about 80 watts.

Surprised I beat Tommy ... seems he wasn't trying hard enough!

Should be some nice close times and a couple of groups forming, next time

 

[BILL S]

Cool - pretty good for 40 minutes of effort Not as fairy dusted as the pro, but I have come such a long way since I first joined Bkool just over 2 years ago

That was some fight you put up when I came past Carl. I thought you'd try to tuck in behind but you kept on passing me instead. Did you find it harder to draft with the kickr?

 

[gbrown]

Provisional Handicaps for next time, with anomalous results and changes of trainers taken into account.

 

[Whorty]

That was some fight you put up when I came past Carl. I thought you'd try to tuck in behind but you kept on passing me instead. Did you find it harder to draft with the kickr?

Yes, much harder. As you got to me I increased power so you wouldn't shoot straight past but this left me in front still. When I dropped power you would come past me. I would increase (clearly too much) and then shoot past you.

I think the problem is on the Pro a 'softer' pedal reduces watts and speed but not instantly and not by much. But with the Kickr as soon as I soft pedal the watts drop instantly (or increase instantly if I put power on) and the speed follows. Drafting is going to be something to practice.

I was hoping I could hang on for a minute or two to get a free ride up to Bob, but the extra effort was putting me in the red. I oculd see Bridgy and @AAAC 76C coming through too so figured you'd want to not have me sucking your wheel with those on the chase!

And thanks for the little draft Aaac, I did try to get a little free help but it didn't last too long .... maybe next time

 

[peterob]

Generally the higher watts were faster, with interesting exceptions (@peterob and @LBHIFI)

I guess there's a lesson there - I need to do more drafting and let someone else share the work!

Thanks for the times/stats Geoff - they match my result in Strava

 

[gbrown]

If we can get at least 15 riders next week, we could go for a Team Time Trial?

Perhaps something like...

Team Beige - Steve, Bert, Jim, Whorty, Del, Rob (if others with Start Times below 4:00 show up we could possibly make one more team)

Team (Not) Red - Adam, Andy, Per, Baldy, Aleman, Lars, JJ, Keith (depending on how many are confirmed starters)

Team Blue - Peter, Bill, Bridgy, AAAC and Tommy (and perhaps Daddy Pig)?

If a few more show up then four teams are possible, can we get an indication of who's a likely no-show and who's a likely show, then we can firm up over the weekend.

Cheers,

Geoff

 

[bridgy]

So Corrected Times (Allocated Start Time + Moving Time)

Congratulations to @BILL S who won on corrected times, and to everyone who took part!
Small cuts to Handicaps earned by @Del C, @peterob, @BILL S, @bridgy and @AAAC 76C

Whorty needs a much more generous Handicap for the KICKR, as he was over 6 minutes slower.
I wonder if the watts shown are the actual watts reported by the power meter trainers, or still estimated from speed and presumed resistance by bkool?
Still, it shows how much more resistance the KICKR is giving, even on a flattish course, or just the absence of the bkool "momentum"?

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And here are the Moving Times only, won by @bridgy, @AAAC 76C and @BILL S
Generally the higher watts were faster, with interesting exceptions (@peterob and @LBHIFI)

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I don't know about peterob but LBHIFI's higher watts can be explained by the fact he didn't sit on the line during warmup but joined at his time and set off straight away, so average watts not diluted by the time sat warming up on the line