That's that dangerous junction sorted

RoadRider400

Some bloke that likes cycling alone
Raised mini roundabout that you cannot just drive over? Surely that would slow drivers enough without them needing to re route the whole road? Cant see it costing as much. One roundabout and a bit more tarmac on the 4 corners and jobs a goodun.

Also puts psychology at play due to the rule of the the roundabout being 'look right', hence people are more likely to look right more thoroughly.

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Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Not upsetting the [influential] hunting-shooting local landed gentry and the hierarchy of an SSSI, hardly justifies the decision by the local authority to avoid making the more difficult choice to save lives.

It's a matter of priority.

Sorry but protecting compromised heathland, solely for the benefit of fluffy bunny rabbits and passing deer, around a busy junction does not merit shackling the National Park and the LA Highways Department to prevent them from making essential improvements...
 
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Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
It's not a busy junction, though. Probably best is installing approach signs for cyclists on the road with precedence saying 'Cars crossing 'STOP' lines: be very aware' or some such 'better' words. As it is they've stencilled 'LOOK' on the road surface aiui.
 

DRHysted

Veteran
Location
New Forest
Not upsetting the [influential] hunting-shooting local landed gentry and the hierarchy of an SSSI, hardly justifies the decision by the local authority to avoid making the more difficult choice to save lives.

It's a matter of priority.

Sorry but protecting compromised heathland, solely for the benefit of fluffy bunny rabbits and passing deer, around a busy junction does not merit shackling the National Park and the LA Highways Department to prevent them from making essential improvements...
It’s not a case of upsetting the verderers, it’s a case of they have a seriously heavy hammer which controls the land that’s not tarmac. The junction isn’t large enough for a mini roundabout, and cannot be enlarged due to reasons given above.
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
I appreciate that landowners- and those employed to restrict and control development- like to have power over others, but when that control results in avoidable deaths then, in future, having established the reasonable and necessary steps to avoid further death and injury those same people should expect to have to bear the full legal and financial consequences of their [in]actions.

£100,000 for a simple road amendment will seem 'good value' and, in my mind, a 'no brainer' when compared to the alternative- this should be brought home to these verderers, the ancient keepers of the ground.

These 'powerful' control freak verderers need to get a grip on their consciences.

As was mentioned earlier, they are not losing land or ground the alignment just adjusts which bits are exposed to the sun and rain- it is still their land under the same surface area of tarmac!
 
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RoadRider400

Some bloke that likes cycling alone
Read reasons against roundabout in Dave D's link (Post #3) and see @DRHysted reiteration of the New Forest's special land control governance. Also this is the New Forest, fgs, not Milton Keynes or Bracknell.
Its just red tape though isnt it. In my eyes just having some fancy paperwork or title does not make it de facto worthy of preservation above any similar junction elsewhere in the countryside. Its proven dangerous and has resulted in deaths, it will continue to cause deaths until its improved with more than a tin of paint. Minor highways improvements for the purpose of preserving human life should rank higher than several square metres of grass, irrespective of the title bestowed upon said grass.
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Thanks @DRHysted.

Just looked up the verderers:

"Verderers Court
Evidence from the 13th century indicates that the Verderers were originally a court within the Forest, authorised by the Crown and elected by the County. They sat to hear cases of offences within the Sovereign’s Forest. They could deal with minor offences directly (by fines) but more serious cases were referred to higher courts – ultimately the Forest Eyre.

Verderers’ powers were extended in the 17th & 18th centuries to address offences undermining the planting and preservation of oak for ship-building (such as breaking Inclosure fences, encroachments on Crown land). Powers to deal with trespassers and abuses by Forest officers were also strengthened.

In 1877, the Verderers’ Court was reconstituted by a New Forest Act of Parliament. The Act abolished the former oath of allegiance to the Crown. The Act required the appointment by the monarch of the Official Verderer and (originally) five Verderers to be chosen by the Commoners and Parliamentary voters in the New Forest parishes. They were to be the guardians of Commoners, common rights, and the Forest landscape.

The New Forest Act of 1949 increased the number of Verderers to comprise five elected, an Official Verderer, and four appointed members. The Act also gave the Verderers additional powers to make and amend byelaws."

These five 'controllers' need to get a grip and take a look at the world... horseless carriages are wreaking havoc. They have immediate and legal powers to grant permission to vary the junction and should do so to avoid prosecution for dereliction of personal duty in public office, or some or other similar legal charge that puts them in the firing line for the first and second [avoidable] death and countless injuries and damage. That'll buck their ideas up.
 
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DRHysted

Veteran
Location
New Forest
I appreciate that landowners- and those employed to restrict and control development- like to have power over others, but when that control results in avoidable deaths then, in future, having established the reasonable and necessary steps to avoid further death and injury those same people should expect to have to bear the full legal and financial consequences of their [in]actions.

£100,000 for a simple road amendment will seem 'good value' and, in my mind, a 'no brainer' when compared to the alternative- this should be brought home to these verderers, the ancient keepers of the ground.

These 'powerful' control freak verderers need to get a grip on their consciences.

As was mentioned earlier, they are not losing land or ground the alignment just adjusts which bits are exposed to the sun and rain- it is still their land under the same surface area of tarmac!
The verderers aren’t land owners, they are custodians, and are made up from commoners. The land is crown land dating back to William the conqueror, it is managed by the Forestry Commision but before they can do anything they have to clear it with the alphabet soup of organisations that protect the New Forest. The New Forest National Park Authority mainly have an advisory role here. The whole area is seriously protected, monitored, and preserved.

for all that it is a very nice place to live, you just have to accept that you’re not likely to get anything done in any hurry.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
Location
On 3 Wheels
The verderers aren’t land owners, they are custodians, and are made up from commoners. The land is crown land dating back to William the conqueror, it is managed by the Forestry Commision but before they can do anything they have to clear it with the alphabet soup of organisations that protect the New Forest. The New Forest National Park Authority mainly have an advisory role here. The whole area is seriously protected, monitored, and preserved.

for all that it is a very nice place to live, you just have to accept that you’re not likely to get anything done in any hurry.
Shame there are so many 'anti cycling' nobbers live there.
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
Stick a couple of these on the side roads just before the junction.
They’re happy to install them overnight if a cyclist startles anyone let alone kills someone.

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Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
The verderers aren’t land owners, they are custodians, and are made up from commoners. The land is crown land dating back to William the conqueror, it is managed by the Forestry Commision but before they can do anything they have to clear it with the alphabet soup of organisations that protect the New Forest. The New Forest National Park Authority mainly have an advisory role here. The whole area is seriously protected, monitored, and preserved.

for all that it is a very nice place to live, you just have to accept that you’re not likely to get anything done in any hurry.
Sorry, I just get really cynical about organisations that exist to interfere and raise a spider's web of complications and objections but aren't proactive- they are the millstones that drag people and the planning system down.
 
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