RoadRider400
Some bloke that likes cycling alone
Brilliantly insightful.There's quite a detailed explanation of the issues with this junction here;
https://singletrackworld.com/2018/0...-of-road-junction-will-keep-killing-cyclists/
Brilliantly insightful.There's quite a detailed explanation of the issues with this junction here;
https://singletrackworld.com/2018/0...-of-road-junction-will-keep-killing-cyclists/
It’s not a case of upsetting the verderers, it’s a case of they have a seriously heavy hammer which controls the land that’s not tarmac. The junction isn’t large enough for a mini roundabout, and cannot be enlarged due to reasons given above.Not upsetting the [influential] hunting-shooting local landed gentry and the hierarchy of an SSSI, hardly justifies the decision by the local authority to avoid making the more difficult choice to save lives.
It's a matter of priority.
Sorry but protecting compromised heathland, solely for the benefit of fluffy bunny rabbits and passing deer, around a busy junction does not merit shackling the National Park and the LA Highways Department to prevent them from making essential improvements...
Its just red tape though isnt it. In my eyes just having some fancy paperwork or title does not make it de facto worthy of preservation above any similar junction elsewhere in the countryside. Its proven dangerous and has resulted in deaths, it will continue to cause deaths until its improved with more than a tin of paint. Minor highways improvements for the purpose of preserving human life should rank higher than several square metres of grass, irrespective of the title bestowed upon said grass.Read reasons against roundabout in Dave D's link (Post #3) and see @DRHysted reiteration of the New Forest's special land control governance. Also this is the New Forest, fgs, not Milton Keynes or Bracknell.
The verderers aren’t land owners, they are custodians, and are made up from commoners. The land is crown land dating back to William the conqueror, it is managed by the Forestry Commision but before they can do anything they have to clear it with the alphabet soup of organisations that protect the New Forest. The New Forest National Park Authority mainly have an advisory role here. The whole area is seriously protected, monitored, and preserved.I appreciate that landowners- and those employed to restrict and control development- like to have power over others, but when that control results in avoidable deaths then, in future, having established the reasonable and necessary steps to avoid further death and injury those same people should expect to have to bear the full legal and financial consequences of their [in]actions.
£100,000 for a simple road amendment will seem 'good value' and, in my mind, a 'no brainer' when compared to the alternative- this should be brought home to these verderers, the ancient keepers of the ground.
These 'powerful' control freak verderers need to get a grip on their consciences.
As was mentioned earlier, they are not losing land or ground the alignment just adjusts which bits are exposed to the sun and rain- it is still their land under the same surface area of tarmac!
Shame there are so many 'anti cycling' nobbers live there.The verderers aren’t land owners, they are custodians, and are made up from commoners. The land is crown land dating back to William the conqueror, it is managed by the Forestry Commision but before they can do anything they have to clear it with the alphabet soup of organisations that protect the New Forest. The New Forest National Park Authority mainly have an advisory role here. The whole area is seriously protected, monitored, and preserved.
for all that it is a very nice place to live, you just have to accept that you’re not likely to get anything done in any hurry.
How would they stop Motorbike access ?Stick a couple of these on the side roads just before the junction.
They’re happy to install them overnight if a cyclist startles anyone let alone kills someone.
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Sorry, I just get really cynical about organisations that exist to interfere and raise a spider's web of complications and objections but aren't proactive- they are the millstones that drag people and the planning system down.The verderers aren’t land owners, they are custodians, and are made up from commoners. The land is crown land dating back to William the conqueror, it is managed by the Forestry Commision but before they can do anything they have to clear it with the alphabet soup of organisations that protect the New Forest. The New Forest National Park Authority mainly have an advisory role here. The whole area is seriously protected, monitored, and preserved.
for all that it is a very nice place to live, you just have to accept that you’re not likely to get anything done in any hurry.
How would they stop Motorbike access ?