was Deckard a replicant?

[VamP]

Funny you should say that - twice I have finished the book to find that the film was on the telly the following night.

Now that's just a glitch in the matrix.

 

[slowmotion]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/faq#.2.1.50 OMG!

In the end we're all guessing, because the truth is that they made it up as they went along. Isn't that the charm of it?

Is it true that Rutger Hauer improvised 'the' speech?

Some say so, some say not...see here...

http://www.empireonline.com.au/features/bladerunner/interview_roybatty.asp

It's blooming good though, whatever the truth.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

I expect, whatever makes sense from watching the original, that the sequel will mess it up. Although I hope not given the control freakery exhibited by Ridley Scott over every aspect of the original (see the documentaries included with the Final Cut). The latest rumour is that Harrison Ford is all but signed up to appear in the sequel... so either it's going to be set very soon after the first one, he appears only in flashbacks of some kind, it turns out that he isn't a replicant after all, or he is a replicant and some kind of solution has been found to the longevity problem.

 

[craigwend]

I actually prefer the naration version to the directors cut...

which I remember seeing at the cinema and being dissapointed, as well as the shorter-end (which I don't mind the longer version) there were other cuts...

I only have the 'original' on VHS, must get a blu-ray version one day

no idea whether he is or not, thats the point surely?

 

[Yellow Fang]

I am broad agreement with your assesment, but with a couple of comments.

Re 2. Gaff is just a copper, not a blade runner, but he has access to Deckard's implanted memories, hence the origami unicorn.

Re 3. Both Ridley Scott and Rutger Hauer have a different interpretation for why Roy saves Deckard.

Interestingly, the original script does not have the little speech about living in fear and being a slave, and certainly does not imply that Roy has recognised Deckard as a replicant. Was that Rutger Hauer's little invention?

Batty meets Deckard's angry eyes.

Deckard's hand continues to slip.

Batty is still looking at Deckard's rage. It moves the
warrior in him, you can see Batty change his opinion.

Too late! Deckard's hand goes.

Batty's hand is like lightning. He catches Deckard's
hand and holds Deckard.

Deckard is suspended above the awesome drop, not sure
why he's not falling. He opens his tightly closed eyes
and looks up.

He looks up into the stern warrior face of Batty, the
cold eyes!

Deckard hangs there and for a moment he has to consider
whether this is the continuation of a cruel game.

The Batty is hauling him up one-handed and with that
scary strength he has.

Deckard is pulled onto the roof where he lies on his
stomach gasping for breath, not moving, just feeling
something solid under him.

Batty looks at the man gasping next to him with the cold eyes of a man looking at a fish. It is as though Deckard is some species far below Batty on the evolu- tionary scale.

I am broad agreement with your assesment, but with a couple of comments.
Re 4. I understood this comment to mean that neither Rachel nor Deckard had much time left (inception dates).

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The original script (if this is the original script) does not imply that Deckard is a replicant at all. Rachel is though. Here Gaff is advising Deckard to take her and run, even though she does not have much time to live.

DECKARD
Yeah. I'm through.

Somewhere far away a whistle blows. Then silence. Deckard
turns. He is moving away. His back to the Mexican. Gaff's
voice follows him. Taunting.

GAFF
You did
sure you are, man.

He snickers. His hand comes out of his pocket with a gun.

GAFF
It's hard to be sure who's who around
here.

Deckard keeps walking.

GAFF
Carnall!

Deckard slowly turns.

Gaff shows him the gun. But it doesn't make any difference.

GAFF
Oye la agua.

Deckard stares. He doesn't know the words.

Ever the dandy, Gaff swaggers closer, stops.

GAFF
Here.

He throws the gun across the gap to Deckard.

Deckard doesn't try to catch it. It lands at his feet.

Gaff dismisses the rejection with a suck on his teeth.

GAFF
I wouldn't wait too long. I wouldn't
fool around. I'd get my little panocha
and get the hell outta here.

They just stare at each other. Gaff smiles.

GAFF
It's too bad, she don't last, eh!

The smile is real and a little sad.

GAFF
But who does.

 

[MontyVeda]

according to Rutger himself, he made up Roy's final speech because he felt Roy needed to say something.

As for deckard being a replicant... i think the clues are there if you look hard enough, but it would never get through court. All this 'proof' is a result of film buffs talking too much and looking too closely. If i watched The Wizard of Oz close enough I'm sure i could prove Dorothy was a replicant too.

 

[Yellow Fang]

according to Rutger himself, he made up Roy's final speech because he felt Roy needed to say something.

As for deckard being a replicant... i think the clues are there if you look hard enough, but it would never get through court. All this 'proof' is a result of film buffs talking too much and looking too closely. If i watched The Wizard of Oz close enough I'm sure i could prove Dorothy was a replicant too.

The Wizard of Oz is in fact an allegory of the American monetary system (see here).

 

[VamP]

Interestingly, the original script does ...

Neat link - that's gone straight into my favourites folder - thanks.

 

[Yellow Fang]

I am beginning to wonder whether the Director's Cut was not so much

 

[Yellow Fang]

Hmm, end of the original script:

DECKARD (V.O.)
I knew it on the roof that night.
We were brothers, Roy Batty and I!
Combat models of the highest order.
We had fought in wars not yet
dreamed of... in vast nightmares
still unnamed. We were the new
people... Roy and me and Rachael!
We were made for this world. It
was ours!

 

[dellzeqq]

The Wizard of Oz is in fact an allegory of the American monetary system (see here).

but the red shoes (that replaced the silver shoes in the book) are about the menarche. Allegedly

 

[captain nemo1701]

Other Phillip K Dick stories that have been made into movies: Total Recall aka "We can remember it for you wholesale"

 

[dellzeqq]

Other Phillip K Dick stories that have been made into movies: Total Recall aka "We can remember it for you wholeasale"

and a far better film!

 

[Yellow Fang]

but the red shoes (that replaced the silver shoes in the book) are about the menarche. Allegedly

What about the film 'The Red Shoes' by Powell and Pressburger? Is that about the menarche too?

 

[dellzeqq]

What about the film 'The Red Shoes' by Powell and Pressburger? Is that about the menarche too?

dunno, matey. I've never made it to the end.