MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
- Location
- Lancaster... the little city.
Listen to More or Less on Radio 4 and get the low down on how they really screw with statistics.
We're all a bunch of lawless reprobates!
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growingvegetables
Guru
- Location
- Leeds
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
Law is primarily about regulating conflict between members of the community. This particulary applies to traffic law. So if you do something that cannot effect anyone else is it justifiable to call it a crime?
Red Light Jumping is claiming a priority you do not have and its potential to harm yourself or others. So passing a red on a deserted road seen by no-one but the cyclist is like that silent tree. Confusing that cyclist with the rush hour POB Lemmings says nothing about danger or irresponsibility.
Yet both would have to answer yes to the question. Adding them together is just plain silly. Adding and publishing them is just plain malicious.
Law is primarily about regulating conflict between members of the community. This particulary applies to traffic law. So if you do something that cannot effect anyone else is it justifiable to call it a crime?
Red Light Jumping is claiming a priority you do not have and its potential to harm yourself or others. So passing a red on a deserted road seen by no-one but the cyclist is like that silent tree. Confusing that cyclist with the rush hour POB Lemmings says nothing about danger or irresponsibility.
Yet both would have to answer yes to the question. Adding them together is just plain silly. Adding and publishing them is just plain malicious.
Peter88
Veteran
- Location
- Failsworth
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
Their news page has this today. Apart from the headline, which is designed to raise eyebrows, the report seems pretty reasonable.
They could have actually used ''The figures for drivers jumping red lights are as follows: 31.8 % (of those who just drive), 21.3% (drivers who also cycle).'' for a headline along the lines of:
Non-cycling drivers jump more red lights
Drivers who cycle are more law-abiding says survey
They could have actually used ''The figures for drivers jumping red lights are as follows: 31.8 % (of those who just drive), 21.3% (drivers who also cycle).'' for a headline along the lines of:
Non-cycling drivers jump more red lights
Drivers who cycle are more law-abiding says survey
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lists-jumped-red-lights-ahead-road-users.html
It's using highly dodgy surveys to demonise cyclists, it's bread and milk to the minority of drivers who deliberately bully and intimidate cyclists.
It's using highly dodgy surveys to demonise cyclists, it's bread and milk to the minority of drivers who deliberately bully and intimidate cyclists.
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
It's not the survey that's at fault, it's how it's been pre-packaged for prejudice. The news release draws attention to the parlous state of cycling provision and the level of drivers' ignorance about what an advanced stop line is but it then parcels it up for the Daily Mail. So why am I not surprised that the DM omits the equally legitimate conclusion that drivers who cycle are more law-abiding than those that don't?
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Jdratcliffe
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Redhill, Surrey
did like this quote thou seems hi did kinda understand i do jump on or two lights out of the hundreds i pass on the way to work but these are mainly the ones where i have clear view and are ped xings
"Martin Gibbs, policy director at British Cycling, said: “Some junctions are so badly designed that people on bikes feel they have to choose between riding legally and riding safely, and this urgently needs addressing.”"
"Martin Gibbs, policy director at British Cycling, said: “Some junctions are so badly designed that people on bikes feel they have to choose between riding legally and riding safely, and this urgently needs addressing.”"
Melonfish
Evil Genius in training.
- Location
- Warrington, UK
came down to bbc breakfast this morning with a chap from IAM talking about cyclists etc. had a nice lady on there who couldn't really get a word in properly.
they were generally arguing about road awareness and cyclist awareness tho.
shame i missed it tbh, doesn't appear to be on iplayer
they were generally arguing about road awareness and cyclist awareness tho.
shame i missed it tbh, doesn't appear to be on iplayer
