cougie uk
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Better off cycling eh ? Cars are just faff.
What's with the fuel prices! And cheap whisky, apparently ...
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Better off cycling eh ? Cars are just faff.
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Now you're just throwing your toys & dummy out, but surely there are questions to ask about the pricing, I have no idea what a 1.2 Puretech 100 EATB S6S is, but I imagine it's a basic Eurobox, but it's £25K, £25K!!!! WTF! how can they justify that amount of money, maybe I live in the dark ages, but I do not comprehend how it can cost that amount & then to add another £8.5K to make it electric, I can't justify paying £8.5k on a car in the first place.
Then there's the finance option £549.75 A MONTH, again I clearly live in a different reality to some people, but I do think they are having everybody's trousers down
The Pug 208 is exact dilemma my son put himself through till I talked some sense into him. Even the car salesman was surprised at the cost differential. You could say the same for E bikes , strap a battery and motor on and it’s an extra £1k !!! We are being taken for a ride ( excuse the pun ) .
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I see the comparison but I do think it's different at least with the eBike all the stuff is additional, motor, battery, controls, whereas in the case of an ICE car they are removing & making all the savings on all the ICE components.
100% agree .
Electric_Andy
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Just looked this up out of interest: A Wisper e-bike pannnier battery at 700WH is £739. A Peugeot e-208 battery is 4500WH, which if you scale it up would be equivalent to roughly £4600 (retail). So that's an extra £4600 on the price tag, without taking into account the different drivetrain, and all the design and manufacture of the various different components that are different from an ICE car. So it doesn't surprise me that the e-car would be a lot more expensive to make, given the cost of batteries anyway, and the fact that they contain rarer metals, or at least elements that are much harder to come by than steel and aluminium which is essentially what an ICE is made from?
Chislenko
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Slightly veered off from the original post but reading the latter pages of this thread it reminds me of an electric car thread from some years back.
To me, a few years later, the same conclusions are drawn.
IMHO there are still many obstacles to owning an electric car.
Where you live (off street parking) what sort of journeys you do, availability of chargers at your destination, the time to complete a long journey, mileage constraints between charging etc.
Whilst I look at the lady in our street who has just bought one, she has a driveway with a fully fitted charging point on the external wall of her house, she only goes to the shops, local employment, visit local family. When same family go on holiday to the other end of the country out comes their other car, a diesel because it just wouldn't be practical to take the electric car.
I suppose moving forward there are now an awful lot of two /three / four car families about, how many chargers and how much drive space (if you have a drive) are you going to need.
I don't know the answer but for me personally in the current situation they just wouldn't fit the bill.
To me, a few years later, the same conclusions are drawn.
IMHO there are still many obstacles to owning an electric car.
Where you live (off street parking) what sort of journeys you do, availability of chargers at your destination, the time to complete a long journey, mileage constraints between charging etc.
Whilst I look at the lady in our street who has just bought one, she has a driveway with a fully fitted charging point on the external wall of her house, she only goes to the shops, local employment, visit local family. When same family go on holiday to the other end of the country out comes their other car, a diesel because it just wouldn't be practical to take the electric car.
I suppose moving forward there are now an awful lot of two /three / four car families about, how many chargers and how much drive space (if you have a drive) are you going to need.
I don't know the answer but for me personally in the current situation they just wouldn't fit the bill.
This is the first EV I ever drove (my old combustion car is in the background), that was over 7 years ago now.
In a little over 2 weeks we'll be going on a 4000km+ road trip to Norway, ending up here as the most Northerly point. We'll have 6 people in our EV, which we have owned for 5 years+ now and done 60k+ miles in.
Assuming EV ownership is hard in 2022 is like a motorist saying all pedal bikes should be banned from the road because cyclists don't pay VED. Its an easy assumption to make, based on virtually no facts.
Chislenko
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Well it's not based on "no facts" We do UK to the Algarve twice a year and trust me down the west of Spain there is very little evidence of EV charging points. Also when we arrive at our apartment complex (built pre EV) there is no means of charging, neither is there any in the local village.
Similarly I can fill up my diesel estate and can do close on 1000 miles without having to stop and wait around every two hundred mile or so.
So I do resent the chastening "no facts" parts of your post when I did specifically state that in our situation an EV was not an option for US!
Andy in Germany
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I see your argument, but in fact what you are saying is that an EV is not an option because you want to maintain your current lifestyle; in the same way as I get people saying "Not having a car isn't an option". Sometimes this is the case; sometimes it's because they chose a lifestyle and need a car to continue in that lifestyle.
I'm not saying that's "bad". We make decisions, and there are consequences; one of those consequences is that our options are limited by those decisions, not outside forces.
Chislenko
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To be fair Andy it's not just lifestyle choices it is circumstances as well.
If we cut out the 1700 mile to get there and lived there instead we still couldn't have an EV as there is no way to charge it save for a potentially dangerous extremely long lead from our first floor window, across the communal landings and then down the communal stairs then across the communal gardens!!!
It is just not practical.
Again the issues that have been highlighted plenty times are still not addressed. Charging the bloody thing for start is not practical at home for some . So your then relying on public charge points of which there are very friggen little round even my neck of the woods.
A colleague of mine just had a horrible experience trying to charge his brand new Q4 down south . Got to a charger and it was broken , went to another it was also broken ! Ended up eventually making it to the hotel just ! Had to slug a cable through a window to get some charge in . Before then planning a trip to the next charger . Nice holiday experience that was !
Now he was maybe just unlucky but I’m not filled with confidence
cougie uk
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Weren't you telling us that it takes two hours to charge for 100 miles though ?
And if you haven't got an EV you probably haven't even noticed the chargers.
There's a public charger about 2 mins walk from my house - I bet there's just a handful of people that know about it - if you don't need to know - why would you ?
Chislenko
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Cougie.
The facts as I see it are that the mileage available after a certain amount of time charging depends on the type of charger. As I understand it, and correct me if I am wrong, without a rapid charger it could well take two hours to get 100 mile.
I have done a reccy of our village in Portugal and the only charging point I could find was at the Golf Club and it was labelled as "Porsche Destination Charging Point" Now whether this was sponsorship by Porsche or whether they are for Porsche owners only (type of connection?) I don't know.
For us to have chargers retrofitted into our basement garage would be an expense of many thousands of Euros so another factor to take into account when doing a cost comparison.
I understand that for you and many others an EV makes sense but all I am saying that for a lot of people the practicalities / initial expenditure (on vehicle and charging system) are not attractive.
More importantly where has the buttie van gone (Tiger Bites was it?) from zone one just as you pass Great Bear Distribution?
cougie uk
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I've not got it in my garden ! Have you seen the parking by Green Lane - they have about 4 chargers but I've not seen anyone using them. Or anyone even parking there but I mainly ride past on Sundays.
