Yes that is why i asked, i would like to see what everybody thinks, there is a lot of nice frames out there some i have never heard of. i like that Stoater, but never heard of them before,
I judge on overall esthetics, proportions, quality of welds, design of lugs if used, dropout design etc. Paint is just the pretty dress. I feel for tall people as they have to put up with ugly long head tubes.
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