Why do people tailgate?

[bozmandb9]

And the statistics to support your assertion are found where?

Seriously?

 

[vernon]

Seriously?

Seriously otherwise your assertion is nothing than an opinion. I'm challenging you to support your assertion with data from a reputable source.

 

[earlestownflya]

i'm a reputable source

 

[Drago]

You're challenging the claim Vernon, so why don't you provide some data that negates it? Why does someone else have to do your work for you?

I bet you'd argue if someone claimed white was white unless they had a report and statistics and letter from both parents to back up their blindingly obvious assertion.

 

[benb]

You're challenging the claim Vernon, so why don't you provide some data that negates it? Why does someone else have to do your work for you?

I bet you'd argue if someone claimed white was white unless they had a report and statistics and letter from both parents to back up their blindingly obvious assertion.

You've got the burden of proof the wrong way round.

 

[bozmandb9]

Sorry guys, I prefer common sense. You'll find stats to 'prove' pretty much anything. Personally I'd prefer to be out on my bike rather than trawling the web. So i am. On my coffee and cake stop now. Yum yum.

 

[swee'pea99]

It's often more about the driving style than the vehicle. Being on and off the brakes all the time is going to suck fuel. Much more efficient to ease off when you see bends or queues ahead,

Unsafe too, as well as environmentally and financially inane. Reminds me of a comment of Jeremy Clarkson's once, along the lines of 'pretty much any use of brakes on a motorway is a sure sign of a crap driver'.

 

[swansonj]

Sure, so mine are less than 6 months old, and probably cost what his car is worth. I guarantee my brakes are better, regardless of whether he has ABS. I very much bout if he has great tyres on a £500 car.

As for your silly comment about my state of mind, I'd suggest an awareness of the stopping abilities of a tailgating car, is a responsible attitude rather than the arrogance you imply.

And this is not about status, I've had a £250 ten year old Ford Mondeo, yes it had ABS, but the braking ability was still crap, I drove it accordingly! I'm saying drive taking into account the abilities of your vehicle, as well as other factors, and also take into account the fact that other vehicles may not have the same abilities.

of course tailgating is wrong,..we all know that..but people still have to be aware of the car they're driving and it's limitations,that was the argument here.

(1) I would be interested in any statistics on the relative performance of different ABS systems. Common sense says they can't all be equally good. But I'm going to hazard a guess that ABS systems are (a) all pretty close to each other and (b) all better than anyone other than a specifically trained professional driver at the top of their performance can manage.

Seriously, in what way was a ten year old Mondeo with ABS "crap"? Was there not enough pressure or travel available in the braking system even to activate the ABS? Was the ABS not working properly?

(2) Copious evidence shows that when it comes to road safety, pyschology is by far the most important factor. The moment you think "Wow, I've paid lots of money to drive a car with really good safety features", as opposed to "sh**, if anything happens I'm going to get really hurt", you are in the wrong psychological place to be driving with the greatest safety you are capable of.

 

[Dan B]

Sorry guys, I prefer common sense.

Ah. I believe that translates into English as "actually I don't know what I'm talking about but I don't want to admit it"

 

[Dan B]

[QUOTE 3927054, member: 9609"]why would it be unsafe plus environmentally and financially inane to predict the road ahead and reduce speed without using the brakes ?
I would think it is a very safe way to drive, greatly improves mpg and cuts down on running costs, brakes and tyre last longer.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about this one either. Although would certainly be unsafe not to use the brakes in situations where you do have to slow down unexpectedly, and perhaps if you're in that "must not brake" mindset you might resort to doing something stupid like swerving instead

 

[bozmandb9]

(1) I would be interested in any statistics on the relative performance of different ABS systems. Common sense says they can't all be equally good. But I'm going to hazard a guess that ABS systems are (a) all pretty close to each other and (b) all better than anyone other than a specifically trained professional driver at the top of their performance can manage.

Seriously, in what way was a ten year old Mondeo with ABS "crap"? Was there not enough pressure or travel available in the braking system even to activate the ABS? Was the ABS not working properly?

(2) Copious evidence shows that when it comes to road safety, pyschology is by far the most important factor. The moment you think "Wow, I've paid lots of money to drive a car with really good safety features", as opposed to "sh**, if anything happens I'm going to get really hurt", you are in the wrong psychological place to be driving with the greatest safety you are capable of.

1. It didn't work as well. It wasn't SBC, it didn't have ESP, I can't really be arsed to go into all the detail, I bored of this thread, as I put, better of out on the bike, do some people really prefer to troll, or argue over nothing, than to get out on their bike in this weather?

2. See above, plus, out of a youngster tailgating in a jalopy more or less likely to have a more appropriate psychology, and a middle aged driver who's aware enough of their proximity, and the relative limitatations of their vehicle, in addition to their driving attitude, so allows them to pass, which is more likely to have the right attitude?

3. I never said, and never would say, anything to indicate I would rely on safety features rather than drive sensibly. In fact, I said the opposite. I said I am aware that not everybody will be able to stop as quickly as me, so when people in an old jalopy are following too close, I'm especially keen to let them pass. Yes, it's a fact, if it had been a Lamborghini with carbon ceramic brakes behind me, I would not have had this concern.

Anyway, get a life guys, get out on your bikes, or get back to work. This is done now.

 

[bozmandb9]

Ah. I believe that translates into English as "actually I don't know what I'm talking about but I don't want to admit it"

Says somebody with none of what I'm referring to? ;-). Ok, here's a statistic. 89% of statistics are made up (yes including this one). VW have some great statistics for you on NO2 emissions if you want stats! Oh, there are some great ones on average speed of cyclists and calories burned too!

 

[User482]

1. It didn't work as well. It wasn't SBC, it didn't have ESP, I can't really be arsed to go into all the detail, I bored of this thread, as I put, better of out on the bike, do some people really prefer to troll, or argue over nothing, than to get out on their bike in this weather?

You really shouldn't be riding and texting at the same time.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Which cars have gates on anyway? Be it on their tail or elsewhere?

It seems like madness to me, people putting gates on cars. How may take offence?

 

[bozmandb9]

You really shouldn't be riding and texting at the same time.

It's OK, I'm 18, and hence have a 99% better ability to multi task, proven in titatnium and carbon fibre! Anyway, it's the vodka in my water bottle you should be really concerned about!