Why oh why did I bother with 11 speed?

[fossyant]

The campag 12 speed cassette is £300

That's cheap as chips compared to Eagle XX1 / X01

 

[Andrew_P]

The campag 12 speed cassette is £300

Just have to wait a year for the "Trickle down..."

My biggest beef once the osts come down will be chain wear the.11 speeds are definitely more fragile

 

[Milzy]

Just have to wait a year for the "Trickle down..."

My biggest beef once the osts come down will be chain wear the.11 speeds are definitely more fragile

I couldn’t find an Ultegra 6800 in 11-32 so had to buy a 105. Can’t wait for the next trickle down.

 

[gaijintendo]

Look at 12 Speed Eagle cassette prices. OMG

I guess that's the use case; a massive range with moderate steps. Ideal for a 1x set up.

It might be expensive, but it's a pioneer product. And it is cheaper than a Dura Ace cassette...

 

[Milzy]

I’d rather have a top frame with Tiagra on than a lesser frame with Dura ace on, I’ll tell you that.

 

[ChrisEyles]

I'm slowly building up a new bike at the moment, and of all the available gearing choices I've opted for 3x8. For practicality, affordability, and durability, you can't really beat it.

Ridden 2x11 on a friend's MTB, and just had to double shift all the time

 

[bpsmith]

I couldn’t find an Ultegra 6800 in 11-32 so had to buy a 105. Can’t wait for the next trickle down.

I’d rather have a top frame with Tiagra on than a lesser frame with Dura ace on, I’ll tell you that.

Why do you need a top end frame if you also need an 11-32 cassette? Kind of contradictory, as anyone truly utilising the difference between a good frame and a top end frame, are likely not to need a 32 tooth lowest gear.

 

[Adam4868]

Why do you need a top end frame if you also need an 11-32 cassette? Kind of contradictory, as anyone truly utilising the difference between a good frame and a top end frame, are likely not to need a 32 tooth lowest gear.

Plenty of pros use 30 cassettes on the grand tours ?

 

[Milzy]

Why do you need a top end frame if you also need an 11-32 cassette? Kind of contradictory, as anyone truly utilising the difference between a good frame and a top end frame, are likely not to need a 32 tooth lowest gear.

Because I’m doing the Fred Whitton and a trip to the Alps. My local area I use 25t. Always better to be over geard than under geard. Even pros are using bigger sprockets in the mountains now. Why put loads of torque through your knees when you can spin to win. Grinding is slower, proved on the GCN show.

You sound like a Rapha brigade cycle snob who isn’t bad but just quite can’t cut cat 3.

 

[davidphilips]

Fine, but if bikes had stayed in the twenties?

Now i may open myself up to a bit of criticism with this but in my view the main improvements with bikes in the last 30/40 years for the average cyclist are brakes, lights and tyres.
To answer your question if bikes had stayed in the twenties i think most of us would still enjoy cycling?

 

[derrick]

The campag 12 speed cassette is £300

Does anyone still use Campagnolo?

 

[bpsmith]

Plenty of pros use 30 cassettes on the grand tours ?

Because I’m doing the Fred Whitton and a trip to the Alps. My local area I use 25t. Always better to be over geard than under geard. Even pros are using bigger sprockets in the mountains now. Why put loads of torque through your knees when you can spin to win. Grinding is slower, proved on the GCN show.

You sound like a Rapha brigade cycle snob who isn’t bad but just quite can’t cut cat 3.

Given you both likes for those replies, as some Pro’s do use 30’s at times. Some are Domestique’s who just want to save themselves to work hard another day. Others are able to pump out serious cadence all day long. The question is whether they also have a Compact or a Standard in conjunction.

The likes are for comparing yourselves to Pro’s btw.

Grinding vs Spinning is dependent on the rider. It depends on your legs and what your riding style is. I know an awesome rider who regularly grinds, but then can’t spin well. Powering down a climb, he couldn’t catch up with me because he said that he couldn’t spin as fast as me. He’s a way better rider than I am without question, but if he had to spin then he wouldn’t be as good as he is.

With respect to the dig about Rapha cyclists, I am a Castelli man @Milzy, at least get the brand right.

 

[Milzy]

Does anyone still use Campagnolo?

Has it’s fan base. Mechanical feel, rapid thumb shifters. Not really my thing. I’d have a super record groupset for nothing though.

 

[fixedfixer]

UOTE="fixedfixer, post: 5217645, member: 12286"]I still ride one. Drive chains last for years

. Aye but I imagine you will have a constipated look on 25% gradient hills




Edit- When you say 1, do you mean one gear or one 7 speed triple?

46/36/26 x 13/32 rear, I smile on hills

 

[Milzy]

Castillo

Given you both likes for those replies, as some Pro’s do use 30’s at times. Some are Domestique’s who just want to save themselves to work hard another day. Others are able to pump out serious cadence all day long. The question is whether they also have a Compact or a Standard in conjunction.

The likes are for comparing yourselves to Pro’s btw.

Grinding vs Spinning is dependent on the rider. It depends on your legs and what your riding style is. I know an awesome rider who regularly grinds, but then can’t spin well. Powering down a climb, he couldn’t catch up with me because he said that he couldn’t spin as fast as me. He’s a way better rider than I am without question, but if he had to spin then he wouldn’t be as good as he is.

With respect to the dig about Rapha cyclists, I am a Castelli man @Milzy, at least get the brand right.

Castelli is fine. Decent quality without silly prices and a few earthy club members use their kit. I can happily do many steep climbs on 25/28 but not all day long one after the other especially after 100 miles or so. Bail out gears for the win.