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[Roadrider48]

I don't complain.

I cycle because I love it. It's part of my life. I do not expect others to feel the same way and I would not impunge my way of life on other people in that way.

Excellent reply 400bhp

 

[Roadrider48]

Because there are health epidemics and we can offer solutions. £10bn lost each year in the NHS to obesity, diabetes and heart disease. Cancers can also have their risks reduced.

Because up to £36 billion is lost to the economy and the tax payer due to road collision. Less private motors used for local journeys means less risk of that happening.

Because air pollution still damages our health and our nature. It also interferes with out livestock and our farm produce. A bicycle, post production, produces no air pollution or CO2. 80% of all harmful air pollutants come from motor traffic.

Because parking is a real issue for councils and business, and traffic congestion is interfering with business.

We all have a responsibility to promote cycling and its benefits as we all have a responsibility to society whether we sit on the right, centre or left of the political spectrum. The motoring lobby is strong because in the main motorists support it, cyclists have to take some inspiration from certain aspects of how that has worked.

You have just shown yourself up as the original car hating cyclist. No one is obliged to promote anything they don't believe in or want to. As I've said, I cycle every day, 7 days a week. But cars will not ever yield to cycles, not in this lifetime anyway. You, nor anybody else, do not have the right to put peoples faces or plate details all over the internet. But for some weird reason, you all think that you're judge and jury. And that you can carry out some kind of kangaroo court at the kerbside.

 

[Jezston]

I object to you lot forcibly trying to convert any who disagrees you. You are in a minority, desu'rpite how many ego stroking "likes or comments" you get on here. People tend to keep quiet here for the fear of being ganged up on.

Oh for goodness sakes stop acting like you're such a bloody martyr.

You came into a thread throwing personal insults, ridiculous accusations and crass, tired generalizations against anyone and everyone who uses a camera on their bike.

As soon as people question your attack and pointed out what was wrong about it, you claimed "that's my opinion and I won't change it", arrogantly rejecting any idea that you might actually be wrong about anything, ever.

Then when multiple people start to disagree with you, you claim that some kind of clique are ganging up on you and this forum is hostile to people with your views, despite this forum being absolutely notorious for attacking people who put footage up of their rides and the number of people who've left the forum because of the harrassment and abuse they've got from people on this forum for doing so often with tacit approval of the staff.

You aggressively attack people on this forum with ignorant baseless accusations, persuing them around threads, and when people react to that you claim YOU are the victim.

You are being a dick, or just being a troll. Get over yourself, and/or stop acting like one. But I'm guessing you won't, because you probably find this entertaining. If you've got such an issue with spying, why not spend your energy usefully, campaigning against illegal state surviellance (preferablly not in a Warner Brothers licenced movie merchandise mask) rather than making snarky, pathetic attacks against people who feel the need to gather evidence in case anything bad happens to them on the road. Guessing you disagree with people filming police at protests in case of brutality?

 

[Roadrider48]

Oh for goodness sakes stop acting like you're such a bloody martyr.

You came into a thread throwing personal insults, ridiculous accusations and crass, tired generalizations against anyone and everyone who uses a camera on their bike.

As soon as people question your attack and pointed out what was wrong about it, you claimed "that's my opinion and I won't change it", arrogantly rejecting any idea that you might actually be wrong about anything, ever.

Then when multiple people start to disagree with you, you claim that some kind of clique are ganging up on you and this forum is hostile to people with your views, despite this forum being absolutely notorious for attacking people who put footage up of their rides and the number of people who've left the forum because of the harrassment and abuse they've got from people on this forum for doing so often with tacit approval of the staff.

You aggressively attack people on this forum with ignorant baseless accusations, persuing them around threads, and when people react to that you claim YOU are the victim.

You are being a dick, or just being a troll. Get over yourself, and/or stop acting like one. But I'm guessing you won't, because you probably find this entertaining. If you've got such an issue with spying, why not spend your energy usefully, campaigning against illegal state surviellance (preferablly not in a Warner Brothers licenced movie merchandise mask) rather than making snarky, pathetic attacks against people who feel the need to gather evidence in case anything bad happens to them on the road. Guessing you disagree with people filming police at protests in case of brutality?

Oh dear Jez, the anger in your post surpasses even the grimace on the face of your avatar. Also another assumption that I am a troll that enjoys flaming. None of which is true, but to coin a phrase, "that's your opinion".
I have most definitely not insulted anyone as far as I'm concerned. Having an opinion and voicing it doesn't constitute insult, surely? As far as me "pursuing" people around the forums goes; I said hi to you once. Show me some examples of my stalking and I will agree with you. Where as today you have insulted me personally by calling me a dick. But not worry, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. When you resort to swearing it just means that you obviously can't hold a cojent argument.
Finally Jezzer, I am no victim! I am just an advocate for free speech, fairness and democracy.
I look forward to seeing what group of swear words you come up with next. I do respect your honesty though!

 

[stowie]

Genuine question - why should we, or why should I?

That is an interesting question and one I have thought about on more than one occasion. I cycle for a couple of reasons - one of them being that it is quicker and simpler than driving locally. If other people want to sit in their cars for 30 minutes for a journey that takes 10 on a bicycle who am I to try to dissuade them? But on a government / transport level I believe there are good reasons why cycling should be promoted for as many people as possible.

 

[Leodis]

I love cycle commuting, over the past few weeks I have been without a commuter bike so been stuck on the bus. One day I fought temptation and lost so took my best bike out for the commute, within 2 miles some numpty hit me from the side, I was lucky as I wasn’t hurt and the driver stopped but if he had drove off whilst I was on the deck I would be £600 worse off right now on a 4 week old bike!! So I have bought a helmet camera, not to point out poor driving though if it does endanger me or others it will be sent to the police but against the 1,000,000 uninsured drivers in the UK who have a habit of hit and running against cyclists. Call me a camera warrior but when the next idiot driver tries to take my life I know there is a change that evidence on camera.

 

[Roadrider48]

I love cycle commuting, over the past few weeks I have been without a commuter bike so been stuck on the bus. One day I fought temptation and lost so took my best bike out for the commute, within 2 miles some numpty hit me from the side, I was lucky as I wasn’t hurt and the driver stopped but if he had drove off whilst I was on the deck I would be £600 worse off right now on a 4 week old bike!! So I have bought a helmet camera, not to point out poor driving though if it does endanger me or others it will be sent to the police but against the 1,000,000 uninsured drivers in the UK who have a habit of hit and running against cyclists. Call me a camera warrior but when the next idiot driver tries to take my life I know there is a change that evidence on camera.

That was bad luck Leodis, I'm glad the driver stopped and you were able to sort it out. And obviously I am happy you were not injured.

 

[downfader]

You have just shown yourself up as the original car hating cyclist. No one is obliged to promote anything they don't believe in or want to. As I've said, I cycle every day, 7 days a week. But cars will not ever yield to cycles, not in this lifetime anyway. You, nor anybody else, do not have the right to put peoples faces or plate details all over the internet. But for some weird reason, you all think that you're judge and jury. And that you can carry out some kind of kangaroo court at the kerbside.

LMAO how do you glean "car hating" from that..? I'll say it again. I think you feel some guilt about not getting involved and thats why you're so aggressively targeting fellow riders who have done nothing wrong.

Target your frustrations at the real risk.

 

[Kookas]

What I don't understand is why some people will seek further interaction with a driver after something's happened. The vast majority of people will react badly when confronted with what they've done wrong as they begin to realise they were in the wrong and become embarrassed or just believe steadfastly that they're correct. I can't recall when I've seen a confrontation end well; it's not as if they're going to go "well now that you've shown me my mistake I'll be sure to read into the rules and look to change my behaviour in the future."
Before going up to the window people might do well to ask themselves:
"What do I hope to achieve here?"
"What am I actually going to achieve here?"

Of course they don't say that. It would feel disempowering (that really ought to be a word), and would to them feel like bowing down to someone else, which we all know no-one likes to do (I certainly don't).

That doesn't mean they don't have a little think afterwards and silently change their ways.

I know in the past I've kept arguing with people who've convinced me that they're actually right, just because I didn't want to be seen to back down and admit defeat. And plenty of people do this all the time, even if they should just apologise and move on.

 

[crazyjoe101]

Of course they don't say that. It would feel disempowering (that really ought to be a word), and would to them feel like bowing down to someone else, which we all know no-one likes to do (I certainly don't).

That doesn't mean they don't have a little think afterwards and silently change their ways.

I know in the past I've kept arguing with people who've convinced me that they're actually right, just because I didn't want to be seen to back down and admit defeat. And plenty of people do this all the time, even if they should just apologise and move on.

Which is why I think people should start their conversations in a less confrontational way that tapping a window and demading it to be rolled down. A simple polite statement of fact and a swift goodbye should be enough. I think over asserting one's self or being aggressive will simply cause the other person to 'lock out'. If something's going to be said then it needs to be said properly when practicable.

 

[ComedyPilot]

Speed cameras don't follow you along the road and then tap on your window and start a row. Whatever way you see it, most people object to being filmed without prior permission.

Whatever way you see it, vulnerable road users are sick to the back teeth of being driven at, crashed into, abused, close-passed, tail-gated and generally endangered on the road by drivers that are complete twunts. And you seem to want cammers to back off filming said twunts because of their 'privacy'?

I, like a good number of very experienced cyclists on here, couldn't give a rat's @rse about the 'privacy' of some nobber in a car. A vulnerable road user's safety trumps their privacy every time. And as a responsible driver, I don't give a toss either about the cyclist at the lights with the camera filming because, surprise to you as it may be, I am highly unlikely to ever be a subject of one of their films. And, perish the though that I ever were to be the main feature, my acute embarrassment over 15 mins of online fame is nothing to the possible harm I could have inflicted on a human being due to my driving.

The anti-cammer voice out there is nothing to do with privacy, or confrontation, it's more to do with the majority of bad drivers not wanting to be made responsible for their actions. And I don't know about you, but I find the very idea that a driver with 1 ton + of high speed metal under their control wanting to be absolved of responsibility for their actions wholly abysmal.

 

[stowie]

Speed cameras don't follow you along the road and then tap on your window and start a row. Whatever way you see it, most people object to being filmed without prior permission.

People may object but (as I outlined in another thread) the entitlement to privacy in a public place is lower than in private, and if those filmed are engaged in criminal or antisocial behaviour, the entitlment to privacy is very greatly reduced. Most people don't object to being filmed in their cars - in fact I think it probably highly unlikely that most people think too much about it. People quite often object to being filmed when they are doing something antisocial or illegal, but that doesn't mean the objection is valid.

 

[gaz]

I've been filming on the roads for 3 or 4 years now. I've never had anyone object to being filmed and it's pretty obvious I've got cameras.

If you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. If you drive like an idiot, well you might well see your self online.

 

[stowie]

I've been filming on the roads for 3 or 4 years now. I've never had anyone object to being filmed and it's pretty obvious I've got cameras.

If you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. If you drive like an idiot, well you might well see your self online.

To be fair, I don't like the "if you are not doing something wrong you have nothing to worry about" line very much. I believe (and think correct) that if someone is filmed in a public place and feels a violation of privacy, they can object. People should have some control over their image even in public. But the entitlement to privacy is based on context, and I doubt very much if a claim of privacy over a record of antisocial behaviour (such as the bullying close pass a cabbie gave me today in the rain) would be taken particularly seriously.

 

[Roadrider48]

People may object but (as I outlined in another thread) the entitlement to privacy in a public place is lower than in private, and if those filmed are engaged in criminal or antisocial behaviour, the entitlment to privacy is very greatly reduced. Most people don't object to being filmed in their cars - in fact I think it probably highly unlikely that most people think too much about it. People quite often object to being filmed when they are doing something antisocial or illegal, but that doesn't mean the objection is valid.

Stowie, I agree with you and you do make a good point. Well put!