Would you help to stop it?

[steve52]

You should visit liveleak some time.

i did just that and got bored halfway though the fist vid, lol i have a bike so lose interest in anything else quickly but to a total waste of time i have learned i wont need the chair

 

[Peter Armstrong]

Yes I would have stopped it; a few years ago I would have just put one on his chin no questions asked. I don’t agree with having ago at people who didn’t do anything. Most of them looked like they couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag, and the dude on the video is exactly small. If you’re in a position to help then great, but some people would be fearful of getting attacked themselves.

 

[Matthew_T]

(@Matthew_T where are you? You're needed )

Sorry, I havent been on here in a while.
I dont like bullies, they are the lowest of the low. As for my mum, she is feeling low (not sure what they has to do with anything but I am just throwing it out there).

There are some people in the world that enjoy getting shouted at. Personally, when someone is in my face, it upsets me. It is a natural instinct to get upset. I am not an aggressive person so will not be the first one to throw a punch. I dont even think I would fight back unless things got serious. However I will shout at people if they shout at me. And I certainly wont tolerate other people being bullied, especially if they dont deserve it.

One thing that annoys me more than anything is when people say "It hasnt got anything to do with you". That might be the case but why does that mean that other people cannot support a helpless person?

Talking of helpless people, I have been thinking recently about buying some of the homeless people in Rhyl a burger from MacDonalds (although I wouldnt blame them if they denied it). I would prefer to do it with my friends around me, just for the support and the fact that I am in Rhyl, and could get jumped by an angry taxi driver at any moment.

 

[TheDoctor]

Well, there's been a lot of studies into bystander intervention.
What comes up time and time again is that if there's one person who can help, they ususlly will.
If there's loads of people around and any one of them could help, none of them will.
Caveat : Most of these studies were done in the US.
Now, and appreciating that the plural of anecdote isn't evidence, I've a few times seen people have nasty prangs in France, and people have rushed in to help. I've never seen a fight kicking off, so I don't know how theyd react. Or how I'd react.
But I think I'd go in and help.

 

[Matthew_T]

On a lighter note about intervention, I was on my way home from college today and saw a group of people helping an older lady on the ground. There were two public cars stopped besides so I dont know if she was hit by a car or if she just fell or something. There were a lot of people around and she seemed to be okay. I was going to offer help but 10 people around appeared to be enough.
If there had only been two people there, I would have stopped. But she seemed like she had help.

 

[vernon]

I've a few times seen people have nasty prangs in France, and people have rushed in to help.

That's explained by the the French law of "non-assistance à personne en danger". Deliberately failing to help a person in danger can lead to a jail sentence of up to five years, a fine and compensation to the victim.

 

[hotfuzzrj]

Oversimplified for effect. However it is common enough, something of which I don't get. Your either happy about it or not. You don't then when someone stops it attack that person. Its much like Stockholm syndrome although I'm sure it has its own name. It is still an illogical reaction.

Is it 'common enough'? Really? Where do you get this from? What are your experiences?
Do you know anyone who has been in a domestic abuse situation who has told you they are happy to be beaten up by their partner?

I am a police officer working in a very urban area and routinely go to domestic incidents, whether they are at a home or in the street. I have never been attacked just for stopping someone being beaten up. Most people (women and men) are traumatised and simply relieved someone is there to help them.
I have been attacked for other things by other people, but they're always drunk, and they'd attack a crisp packet if they had the brain cells to process it.
Probably like you.

 

[hotfuzzrj]

Overjocular for effect.

 

[vernon]

Is it 'common enough'? Really? Where do you get this from? What are your experiences?
Do you know anyone who has been in a domestic abuse situation who has told you they are happy to be beaten up by their partner?

I am a police officer working in a very urban area and routinely go to domestic incidents, whether they are at a home or in the street. I have never been attacked just for stopping someone being beaten up. Most people (women and men) are traumatised and simply relieved someone is there to help them.
I have been attacked for other things by other people, but they're always drunk, and they'd attack a crisp packet if they had the brain cells to process it.
Probably like you.

Cycling Dan is an adolescent with his views of life heavily influenced by the alternative reality that he finds in Liveleaks that targets the seriously bewildered and/or those who seek to live in a brutalised fantasy world.

 

[theclaud]

try turning up without a uniform and without stating your a police officer, or do it in the street... good luck with that...

this type of post turns up every now and again and most people like to think they'd help but in reality very few do... something people tend to forget a man who's prepared to publicly assault someone, does it with the understanding that he doesn't really give a s*** what others think of him, this can make him a very dangerous individual ...
unless you are able or prepared to exchange blows, ring the police, you're no good injured to your family and never underestimate the psychological effects if it all goes pear shaped...

I think @hotfuzzrj was simply taking issue with the notion that domestic violence victims want to be beaten up, not claiming that intervention is easy. Those who can't seem to get their heads round why a temporary intervention, however well intentioned, might be problematic for the victim, clearly haven't thought very hard about it.

 

[400bhp]

I was out with a friend who is a police woman (off duty) when a fught broke out. She says the best thing to be is an expert witness. Helping out can often make matters worse and put you at risk.

Limited to a boxer or someone with previous convictions for ABH or GBH then.

 

[theclaud]

I got that from the first part of his post, I read the second part differently....

I got that, but the important bit he was responding to is the myth that women collude in their own abuse. It goes without saying that uniformed officers are in a different position to ordinary citizens when it comes to possibilities for intervening in violent situations. There can be perfectly good reasons not to intervene, but the notion that the victim desires what they are getting is not one of them.

 

[Custom24]

Stanley Milgram.

 

[theclaud]

Stanley Milgram.

What about him?

 

[hotfuzzrj]

Yes apols for any mixed messages, I was in fact trying to clarify that it's unlikely that being beaten is ever a desired outcome when someone starts a relationship!
Secondly I have intervened, out of uniform, off duty. It's terrifying but I'm gobby and 6'.
And I'm a woman. I suppose you'll all say that changes the dynamic too.
Well I say this, men who beat their partners do not like being told what to do, especially by another woman.
And what's the point in being able to stick up for myself if I don't use that ability to stick up for people who can't?
Anyway that's only my opinion. I'll shuffle off for a little while.
Nothing to see here!