Apalling actions from an Arriva bus driver

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Sigh, yes another 'Matthew_T thread'. However, this one takes the biscuit. (edited)

Sorry about the length of this thread. And CONSTRUCTIVE critisism is welcomed.

Matthew, this is a tired format now and it must be galling for you to see the same old gits (me and others) making the same old points.

You disagree with us, while I and others think you are punching rough-rendered walls with bare knuckles and will gain nothing but pain from the exercise.

It is an impasse that repeats itself whenever you post a video. I have thought and thought and thought. You sit in age right between my two elder children, both of them keen cyclists. They may even post on things like this without my knowledge... I see that you invite contructive criticism and I offer you this as I would hope others might offer something to my offspring:

1. You ride with a club. That is excellent. Club riders are often gnarled old racers and many of them have decades of cycling and driving experience. They know the roads out your way, where we do not. They know the danger spots, the tricky junctions and all the rest of it. On a club run with ten other riders, you probably have hundreds of combined years of road experience. Furthermore, if you are in a chaingang, you are very likely to elicit a few noisy or revvy responses from drivers. It is wrong, but they do it. Chaingangs are hard to pass at times and although they have every right to be there, this makes some drivers cross. Observe how club riders deal with this. Listen to them. Watch how they ride and where they ride. In terms of cycling knowledge at your fingertips, they are probably an unrivalled resource for you. Use them as such to your own benefit.

2. When riding alone, make a conscious decision one day not to speak a word to another road user, not to shake your head, not to wag a finger, not to point at the camera or make any signal apart from those required by the HC (turns etc). It may be very difficult to do. But try as hard as you can to do it. Also, if someone winds you up, make a conscious decision NOT to catch up with them and prove a point. Once you have achieved those goals once, see how you feel after the ride. Does it feel better? More relaxed? Try it again and again and again until it is your default setting. You may find that you reach the end of your ride in a much more relaxed state. (And it is clear from your extensive YouTube library that you are often extremely 'un-relaxed'). Give yourself a reward for each confrontation avoided and each confrontation-free ride. Seriously.

3. Start a diary (not online) of your rides. Distance, date, route, average speed, weather, good points, bad points etc... Write it after you get back. Just use a diary or a notebook with a space for each heading. Note also (gulp) the number of times you have wanted to speak to, shake your head at or otherwise interact with another road user and have resisted the temptation to do so. Be completely honest with yourself about that bit. Keep it offline and keep it on paper. Just for you. See if you notice any change in your wish to confront and challenge other road users.

4. Every time (EVERY TIME) you feel tempted to chide another road user for this, that or the other wrongdoing, imagine how you'd feel if you made some error and had someone with your attitude speaking to you the way you speak to others. You can imagine it if you try. It is likely that imagining such a blunt approach by a finger-wagging, head-shaking teen taking what may appear to be a patronising tone will make you shudder. It may make you want to retaliate. That is how others probably react when confronted by you. Do bear in mind how you appear to those you speak to. In your videos it is quite stark how what you think are polite approaches come across as haranguing and brusque.

You may think this is patronising twoddle. You may be right. But I guarantee that you will enjoy your rides more if you follow that advice and other people will enjoy sharing the road with you more. You may swear that you already enjoy your rides, but your enormous video library on Youtube suggests that your blood-pressure barometer spends much of its time in the MR ANGRY zone. You do not come across as a happy road user and your Youtube channel is the chief witness for the prosecution.

I hope you'll see the above as constructive and I hope you'll follow it. The guys in your local club have been doing for decades what you've been doing for a few months. Maybe they've been doing something right all these years...

Seriously, give it a go.:rolleyes: Whatever you may think of the above, it is written with a change for the better for you in mind.
 

Monsieur

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Sorry - I've not read all this thread (19 pages!!!) but my first thought was...who the feck carries highway code???
 

classic33

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it's not just cyclists, or paid drivers... ask any driver if they're aware of the 27 (ish) changes made to the Highway Code in 2007 and chances are it's news to them. The hugely unpopular Drivers Certificate of Professional Competence, which requires professional drivers to undertake 35 hours of training every 5 years is a good thing IMO... but i think it should definitely be rolled out to taxi drivers, and even non-professional drivers. I also think the Govt should foot the bill and provide 'good' periodic training courses.
Why should anyone but the driver or the company they drive for have to foot the bill of what amounts to a retest. If the person wants to keep on driving, they should be the ones paying to prove that they're dtill fit to drive.
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
Why should anyone but the driver or the company they drive for have to foot the bill of what amounts to a retest. If the person wants to keep on driving, they should be the ones paying to prove that they're dtill fit to drive.
for no other reason than to make it more palatable... and it's far from a re-test, it's more like watching a few videos. One 'passes' by simply attending. There is no pass/fail test with the DCPC. If it was funded differently, it may be in the interests of those funding it to make it more informative, more rigorous and more like a re-test. Of course it's all wishful thinking.
 
Matthew didn't commit an offence. The offence referred to in Rule 191 of the Highway Code, Section 25 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and Regulation 24 of the Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations and General Directions 1997 applies only to motor vehicles.

If you're going to lecture people on the law, you might at least try knowing what you're talking about... that way you look less of a nobber.

Well according to the highway code rules for cyclists https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82/overview-59-to-71 it gives guidance to overtaking and refers the cyclist to the rules for overtaking https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/overtaking-162-to-169 and according to this it would not be advisable to overtake on crossings.
 

Pieface

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The real question I wonder is did the OP buy his camera for the purpose of evidence, or he saw people posting videos on YouTube and thought I want a piece of that action?

All the confrontation would have done is make the bus driver hate cyclists more, whereas if you sent an email to the bus depot manager and state if you hear of no action you may contact the police, the bus driver will be educated in a non-hostile environment where he might take the information actually on board.

To cycle to the bus depot as well is a bit stupid as who knows what this guy could have done with all his friends behind him all on you.
 

The Jogger

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Matthew's involvement aside, it is interesting (and shocking and startling) that some people who are paid to drive very large vehicles on the public roads believe that cyclists have fewer rights on those roads.

So you're saying they don't receive the correct training?
 

Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
Fixed that for you.

Now who did you say were idiots? :banghead:
Well he above was clearly referencing the bus drivers in the video. I would say no amount of training would save them from their idiotiticy.
I couldn't comment on general training but from personal experience most bus/lorry etcdrivers are fine. Any trouble I have myself is from private drivers.
 
The real question I wonder is did the OP buy his camera for the purpose of evidence, or he saw people posting videos on YouTube and thought I want a piece of that action?

All the confrontation would have done is make the bus driver hate cyclists more, whereas if you sent an email to the bus depot manager and state if you hear of no action you may contact the police, the bus driver will be educated in a non-hostile environment where he might take the information actually on board.

To cycle to the bus depot as well is a bit stupid as who knows what this guy could have done with all his friends behind him all on you.


The key is subtlety... no point at all in confrontation

If you have a good case of dangerous driving

Firstly write to the company and complain, then await the reply. This will usually be the driver's version.
Then answer enclosing the video and asking why the driver is lying, and what action they will be taking about the incident and his consequent lies

Managers hate being made to look stupid.

I have one local company at the moment where the van driver stated that i was aggressive, violent and had harangued him with an foul mouthed rant..........Backed up by two of his colleagues. I asked if the manager had a written statement and when he confirmed this sent in the video. The passenger seat and centre seat where his colleagues claim to be sat is empty, and the video clearly shows that the only swearing was done by th driver.

All three are now on written warnings pending a fuller investigation, and disciplinary action
 
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