The Jogger
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In my experience if you have been given a warning for an offence then they can't give you another punishment / penalty for the same offence.
Apalling actions from an Arriva bus driver
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In my experience if you have been given a warning for an offence then they can't give you another punishment / penalty for the same offence.
Spinney
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But wouldn't any traffic misdemeanour be one offence, and lying to management be a different offence?
I'm not sure, but I believe it could be like being suspended pending a full investigation?
Milzy
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When I first watched this I was in disbelief that Matthew would be so pedantic to follow things up the way he did. I thought this is one extremely sad individual who needs to get a life & become thicker skinned much like the rest of us. Then as the film went on I was glad Matthew did what he did as it exposed that obnoxious knobber & his clueless side kick for what they really were. They need to be re-trained for the sake of the public & their employers. Pulling the highway code out was top drawer. Talk about been owned.
To be truthful 70% of head cam videos are so melodramatic watching them back can be worse than having a tooth pulled out with no anesthetic. However this one was very entertaining & informative. I feel it has to be king of all head cam videos right now & it's really going to take some beating.
Still it's not nice to see anyone loose their jobs unless they really deserve it. If it was me I'd have completely ignored that pass & gone about my day.
Matthew is like the complete opposite of Emma Way & for having the balls to confront the manager I say chapéu!
To be truthful 70% of head cam videos are so melodramatic watching them back can be worse than having a tooth pulled out with no anesthetic. However this one was very entertaining & informative. I feel it has to be king of all head cam videos right now & it's really going to take some beating.
Still it's not nice to see anyone loose their jobs unless they really deserve it. If it was me I'd have completely ignored that pass & gone about my day.
Matthew is like the complete opposite of Emma Way & for having the balls to confront the manager I say chapéu!
The Jogger
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No it's all part of the one investigation. If you are proved to be lying then things would get much worse in the ongoing case.
The Jogger
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Not what was said, a warning was issued.
And I'm just saying what I believe it could be like. I never said they were suspended. But that until a full investigation is under way then they are just on a warning for now.
ComedyPilot
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I had a bad pass by a bus a couple of months ago. It forced me off the road, but I managed to keep it upright. Luckily for me the bus behind it saw what happened and gave me a wide berth when it passed. I then saw bus 1 in the next village but it pulled away before I could confront the driver. Bus 2 was stopped just round the corner and reluctantly** agreed to confirm what happened.
I spoke to the owner of bus 1 and they confirmed with bus 2 what happened. The agency that supplied the driver for bus 1 have been dropped as a supplier of drivers.
**The driver saw what happened, agreed I had been forced off the road to avoid being hit/cleaned up but, and here's the bit that p*ssed me off, he didn't think it was that bad because I wasn't hit....!
Edit - the relevance is that I don't use a camera, and without a witness this would have been swept under a carpet. I have been forced off the road more times than I ever deserve, and none of the 'bad' ones I reported to police went anywhere due to lack of witnesses. A camera would change that, but I don't see why I should fork out hundreds to capture footage for prosecutions...I just wanna ride in peace and safety.
I spoke to the owner of bus 1 and they confirmed with bus 2 what happened. The agency that supplied the driver for bus 1 have been dropped as a supplier of drivers.
**The driver saw what happened, agreed I had been forced off the road to avoid being hit/cleaned up but, and here's the bit that p*ssed me off, he didn't think it was that bad because I wasn't hit....!
Edit - the relevance is that I don't use a camera, and without a witness this would have been swept under a carpet. I have been forced off the road more times than I ever deserve, and none of the 'bad' ones I reported to police went anywhere due to lack of witnesses. A camera would change that, but I don't see why I should fork out hundreds to capture footage for prosecutions...I just wanna ride in peace and safety.
The Jogger
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My point is you can't receive two punishments for one offence. Anyway how can you be given a written warning without and investigation being carried out and then hit again after that. This would be a case for an ET.
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Matthew_T
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The reason i got a camera was because I had a driver go absolutely mental when I shook my head at him because he pulled out of a junction infront of me. He went chasing me around the local streets and i eventually hid behind a car for 10 mins to make sure he was gone. Thats why I got a camera.
Since then, I dont think much worse has happened. I have stood my ground more and been surprised that people always never follow what they actually say they will do.
I dont go looking for incidents or confrontations. Believe me, if I did I would have been assaulted by now. I only confront people to at least try and educate drivers. There have been some that have listened and been grateful for my explanation. However, if everyone is ignorant to what is going on and does not take a proactive technique to dealing with bad driving, then nothing will change.
The only ones who can make a difference are the victims* (just look at court cases).
*Victims in the sense that i mean it is not an excuse. In terms of what I am saying, I mean that most vulnerable people or the people who always come out of things badly.
Since then, I dont think much worse has happened. I have stood my ground more and been surprised that people always never follow what they actually say they will do.
I dont go looking for incidents or confrontations. Believe me, if I did I would have been assaulted by now. I only confront people to at least try and educate drivers. There have been some that have listened and been grateful for my explanation. However, if everyone is ignorant to what is going on and does not take a proactive technique to dealing with bad driving, then nothing will change.
The only ones who can make a difference are the victims* (just look at court cases).
*Victims in the sense that i mean it is not an excuse. In terms of what I am saying, I mean that most vulnerable people or the people who always come out of things badly.
classic33
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They got caught lying, which called into question their previous evidence given. Managment don't like being lied to.
If you don't look for confrontation, then why did you cycle all the way to the bus depot for exactly that, a confrontation?
The Jogger
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If they have been given a warning as a result of the investigation then that's it, if they have een given a warning before it has been investigated then it is wrong and the manager doesn't know what he is doing. Simple as that.
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