Are we being forced to go electric?

[Richard A Thackeray]

Just plug the car in when you go for a wee on a journey - come back and your range has increased. Fraction of the cost of petrol. No hanging around in the cold pumping petrol.

Fractions for now

As duty revenue from petrol/diesel drops, pricing has to increase to replace those losses

The duty on a litre of diesel/petrol is just under 57p/litre (then there's the VAT too at 20%)

The rebate on 'red diesel' stops soon too! (currently 19p/litre duty), so there's a race to get hauliers onto electric fridge units to save the fuel costs

 

[MrGrumpy]

Fractions for now

As duty revenue from petrol/diesel drops, pricing has to increase to replace those losses

The duty on a litre of diesel/petrol is just under 57p/litre (then there's the VAT too at 20%)

The rebate on 'red diesel' stops soon too! (currently 19p/litre duty), so there's a race to get hauliers onto electric fridge units to save the fuel costs

Taxes and death two guarantees in life

 

[cougie uk]

Fractions for now

As duty revenue from petrol/diesel drops, pricing has to increase to replace those losses

The duty on a litre of diesel/petrol is just under 57p/litre (then there's the VAT too at 20%)

The rebate on 'red diesel' stops soon too! (currently 19p/litre duty), so there's a race to get hauliers onto electric fridge units to save the fuel costs

I'd be mad to pay 10 times the fuel cost though now.
We all know it will cost more in the future but in the meantime...

 

[cougie uk]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...and-energy/why-hydrogen-no-longer-fuel-future

Come on hydrogen fans - put your money where your mouth is. A whole 12 hydrogen cars bought last year - you could make a significant improvement on the figures if you all bought one.

 

[gzoom]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...and-energy/why-hydrogen-no-longer-fuel-future

Come on hydrogen fans - put your money where your mouth is. A whole 12 hydrogen cars bought last year - you could make a significant improvement on the figures if you all bought one.

That says it all really doesn't it. If people love hydrogen so much, and its so much better than battery EVs why aren't people buying them.

12 cars sold for a whole 12 months, its more than dead end technology, Toyota must be losing £££££££ on each on sold!

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

Catch 22

No infrastructure for hydrogen, so no-one buys a car
No building of a hydrogen infrastructure, until enough vehicles bought?

 

[cougie uk]

But SO many fans on here that say they're the future ??

 

[icowden]

If hydrogen is the betamax, are electric cars the VHS2000?
Plenty poured into them, but where did it go?

Nobody bought them. They were too busy buying Betamax and VHS. You only have to look at the speed of growth of BEV purchases to see that they are not a flash in the pan.

 

[FishFright]

Still think hydrogen fuel cells have big part to play in the future it’s pretty clear right now that EVs are limited due to range. Anyone I’ve spoken too who has one mentions it. It’s a fact and it’s not going away anytime soon. This will be played out as we move forward over the next few years.


View: https://youtu.be/O6QGfmgPWFM

The main problem with hydrogen is the amount of energy required to produce and transport it .

 

[icowden]

The main problem with hydrogen is the amount of energy required to produce and transport it .

Not to mention hydrogen goes boom... 🔥🔥🔥🔥

 

[classic33]

Not to mention hydrogen goes boom... 🔥🔥🔥🔥

As does petrol and LPG/FuelGas.
Petrol seems to have caught on though

 

[gzoom]

The main problem with hydrogen is the amount of energy required to produce and transport it .

Then to compress it to a crazy level and finally use it.

Its dead end tech, am not sure why anyone even mentions it any more given the total lack of consumer demand for it or usage?

 

[nickyboy]

Fractions for now

As duty revenue from petrol/diesel drops, pricing has to increase to replace those losses

The duty on a litre of diesel/petrol is just under 57p/litre (then there's the VAT too at 20%)

The rebate on 'red diesel' stops soon too! (currently 19p/litre duty), so there's a race to get hauliers onto electric fridge units to save the fuel costs

This is why I'm a relatively early adopter, PHEV is on order and my charging point was installed this week.

I anticipate the costs of running an EV will increase as the tax take lost on conventional fuela will be moved to electric. But I expect this will take a number of years and in the meantime the costs of running electric will be cheap

 

[midlife]

This is why I'm a relatively early adopter, PHEV is on order and my charging point was installed this week.

I anticipate the costs of running an EV will increase as the tax take lost on conventional fuela will be moved to electric. But I expect this will take a number of years and in the meantime the costs of running electric will be cheap

Just curious why you went for something with an internal combustion engine in it?

 

[CXRAndy]

As others have said, it takes 50kW of electricity to make 1kg of liquid hydrogen from electrolysis. This is presumably from green electricity. There is very little 'green' Hydrogen currently.

The vast majority of Hydrogen is split from Steam Methane Reforming. A process which releases massive amounts of C02 and is reliant on fossil fuel supplies

Hardly a green solution.

Until green methods that are significantly cheaper to produce Hydrogen it's a non goner.

The ship has sailed and BEV are now the transport for the immediate future.

Like I've said before, it will take a monumental discovery to shipwreck the BEV adoption