Are we being forced to go electric?

[MrGrumpy]

If so can we also agree that fewer car journeys would be a good thing?

agreed 100% . The problem with that is the general poor public transport around the country.

 

[CXRAndy]

Its the C02 emissions just to produce each vehicle thats the staggering part , even though we have massive solar panel array they measured it in how many hot air balloons per car

So maybe we can agree that cars are large machines that take a lot of energy to produce and power?

ICE vehicle use produces pollution where they are used and that has health implications for people in those areas.
EV vehicle use may produce pollution where their energy is generated.

If so can we also agree that fewer car journeys would be a good thing?

Yes, I/we can agree with that

 

[Jameshow]

agreed 100% . The problem with that is the general poor public transport around the country.

Perhaps if we all got equal spending to London and Scotland rather than a third we would have better public transport!!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1134495/transport-spending-per-head-in-the-uk/

 

[CXRAndy]

Outside of maybe a few major cities, public transport is virtually non existent.

 

[All uphill]

agreed 100% . The problem with that is the general poor public transport around the country.

Outside of maybe a few major cities, public transport is virtually non existent.

Then isn't it interesting that we put energy into a thread about ICE vs EV when a bigger challenge and opportunity is a lack of interest in public transport?

 

[CXRAndy]

Then isn't it interesting that we put energy into a thread about ICE vs EV when a bigger challenge and opportunity is a lack of interest in public transport?

Because the lack of public transport the public want freedom to move around when they want. Whether EV or ICE.

Public transport can work especially in urban conurbations

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Certainly a very significant chunk of them.

And there are other problems being glossed over. The chemical pollution, the child and slave labour, the up to 100,000 litres of water required to manufacture a kilo of lithium leading to massive and irreversible groundwater depletion, and on and on.

We're on our 3rd electric car and I like them a lot, but I'm under no illusion that it solves much of anything,

It's the elephant in the room that doesn't seem to be discussed much.

The couple of handfuls of EV owners that I know don't seem to care at all and are more interested in how quick their cars go and what the range is - whilst displaying their faux climate concern credentials of course.

 

[CXRAndy]

It's the elephant in the room that doesn't seem to be discussed much.

The couple of handfuls of EV owners that I know don't seem to care at all and are more interested in how quick their cars go and what the range is - whilst displaying their faux climate concern credentials of course.

The figures are not accurate The number probably comes from 2,200,000 litres to make extract lithium.

but its 2,200,000 per 1000kg of lithium. EV car batteries have less than 10kg of lithium. However mobile phone batteries a far denser with lithium


Oil wells require 3,000,000-6,000,000 of water per well to bore. No one mentions this
ICE continue to pollute after manufacture.

EVs are far far less polluting, and lets get into the next point of tyres

I bought my EVs for the fact they're far less polluting, oh and they cost so much less to run

 

[Jameshow]

Outside of maybe a few major cities, public transport is virtually non existent.

Rubbish yesterday-sunday saw a double decker bus coming from grassington headed to York the polkington.

Perhaps leave the Tesla behind and ride a bike or take the bus!

 

[SpokeyDokey]

The figures are not accurate The number probably comes from 2,200,000 litres to make extract lithium.

but its 2,200,000 per 1000kg of lithium. EV car batteries have less than 10kg of lithium. However mobile phone batteries a far denser with lithium


Oil wells require 3,000,000-6,000,000 of water per well to bore. No one mentions this
ICE continue to pollute after manufacture.

EVs are far far less polluting, and lets get into the next point of tyres

I bought my EVs for the fact they're far less polluting, oh and they cost so much less to run

The litres used figures are hardly comparing like with like though so I'm ignoring them. Unless you live in a radically different world to me you surely know very well that the subject is being swept under the carpet by owners & manufacturers.

Ditto, EV owners (ime) bang-on, with little persuasion, about their '*hit hot' and 'quick off the mark' cars. I think there needs to be a lot more honesty around the performance orientated EV culture.

I am 100% not adverse to EV vehicles, although I am far from convinced of their eco-friendliness in their current guise ie they are generally heavy and very fast.

I will probably get one next time around. Probably not a Tesla unless they sort out the woeful low-rent interiors and make a smaller less planet-busting model.

 

[cyberknight]

Outside of maybe a few major cities, public transport is virtually non existent.

indeed , assuming i could get connections to run nicely i would face a good couple of mile walk to the nearest bus stop and about 2 hours of travel to do a 10 mile direct commute to work.Not forgetting the fact my shift pattern means there wouldn't be any service anyway .

 

[CXRAndy]

Rubbish yesterday-sunday saw a double decker bus coming from grassington headed to York the polkington.

Perhaps leave the Tesla behind and ride a bike or take the bus!

Like one a bus a day each way. That's the height of convenience. In cities they're like 4 buses an hour

 

[Landsurfer]

It's the elephant in the room that doesn't seem to be discussed much.

The couple of handfuls of EV owners that I know don't seem to care at all and are more interested in how quick their cars go and what the range is - whilst displaying their faux climate concern credentials of course.

And the majority of EV's being purchased by multi nationals as company cars, that seems to kept quiet ....

 

[CXRAndy]

The litres used figures are hardly comparing like with like though so I'm ignoring them. Unless you live in a radically different world to me you surely know very well that the subject is being swept under the carpet by owners & manufacturers.

Ditto, EV owners (ime) bang-on, with little persuasion, about their '*hit hot' and 'quick off the mark' cars. I think there needs to be a lot more honesty around the performance orientated EV culture.

I am 100% not adverse to EV vehicles, although I am far from convinced of their eco-friendliness in their current guise ie they are generally heavy and very fast.

I will probably get one next time around. Probably not a Tesla unless they sort out the woeful low-rent interiors and make a smaller less planet-busting model.

Whether you like or dislike is neither here or there to me. But when folk say that they are not environmental green, using water to extract the refine lithium, but ignore that for over a century the human race has been raping and polluting the earth with oil extraction is funny.

Yes EV's are fantastic to drive for performance, That's a consequence of the electric motors, they fundamentally are extremely high torque and rev up quickly.

However most folk ask me- this is going back a few years when seeing a Tesla was quite rare. 'how far do they go?' on a charge
Followed by ' how long does it take to charge?' Again surprised at the supercharging capability.

However you still get many ignorant people today. I was talking to sales woman last week on a new housing estate. Daughter's buying a new house. The builder now has to provide EV charging. The conversation was hilarious with the absolute ignorant shite she came out with.

she had no idea how fast a home charger would charge an EV, she thought it was days, not the 6-8 hours

Most of it though, was around she'd like one but would be frightened to run out of electric. I eventually got out of her, what was her commute per day. She said its was 55 miles total

I explained we do easily 150 miles per day and never worry about running out- I explained where ever there is a 3 pin plug you can charge an EV.-shock on her face

I don't know what current guise means- The EV isn't going to change in any significant way

Next year should see the introduction of the baby Model 2 from Tesla

 

[CXRAndy]

And the majority of EV's being purchased by multi nationals as company cars, that seems to kept quiet ....

Was that any different for ICE a few years ago? Big companies have always bought/leased large fleets of vehicles