can a ebike with no pedals on the road in georgia usa
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Drago
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- Suburban Poshshire
That'd makemp it viable then.
ColinJ
Puzzle game procrastinator!
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- Todmorden - Yorks/Lancs border
That kind of thing happens everywhere! Here's a local example of mine...
Years ago I had ridden down the bridleway to the Blue Pig and stopped to drink some water on the little bridge that you have to cross to get to the entrance to Hardcastle Crags. A grumpy woman came out of the cottage next to the bridge and told me that I was trespassing. I told her that it was a public right of way, that I had come down the bridleway and ... She interrupted me and told me that it was illegal to come down the 'footpath' on a bike. I pointed out the bridleway sign and said that it was therefore open to walkers, equestrians and cyclists. As for the bridge ...we were standing on a road. She grudgingly accepted that I had a right of passage over it but she then told me that I "didn't have the right to stop"!
Wow - it is unusual for you to be so wrong... I can guarantee you that most non-competitive cyclists cannot sustain 250 W! The reason that most cyclists in the UK can outpace a 250 W ebike is not because the bikes are underpowered, it is because they have 25 kph/15.5 mph speed limiters on them. Point a 250 W** ebike at a decent hill and THEN try to keep up it!
** Assume that the motor characteristics/gearing allow it to give full power up the climb. (Some don't.)
Drago
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- Suburban Poshshire
I think youre confusing 250 electrical watts with 250 watts mechanical output - the translation is never the same due to various losses and inefficiencies that apply to electricity, heat, friction, temperature and battery chemistry, none of which apply to human legs.
And yes, im a fit bloke in my 50s and can easily better my ebikes times up any hill on one of my regular bikes. I ride each daily, so know exactly what they can and can't do. On top of that, a quick glance at Strava shows gazillions of lightweight racing snakes putting in climb times that thrash ebikes. These tales you here of people boasting about how they were out on their ebike and blitzed Team Ineos on a training ride are utter bull.
Prior to 2016 throttle controls were legal so there are older bikes about where it is possible to ride them up to 15.5mph on just the motor alone. Indeed, my Daughters fellas Mum has one and I service it for her. Trust me, they very slowly trundle up to speed, and it doesn't take much of an incline at all to crop that back to 12 or 10 mph when ridden on on just the motor alone.
I say it again, because I know the truth of it first hand. Any rider who isn't injured, very elderly, or disabled, will have little difficulty outpacing an ebike with only 250 watts (maximum continuously rated output) being ridden on battery power alone.
And yes, im a fit bloke in my 50s and can easily better my ebikes times up any hill on one of my regular bikes. I ride each daily, so know exactly what they can and can't do. On top of that, a quick glance at Strava shows gazillions of lightweight racing snakes putting in climb times that thrash ebikes. These tales you here of people boasting about how they were out on their ebike and blitzed Team Ineos on a training ride are utter bull.
Prior to 2016 throttle controls were legal so there are older bikes about where it is possible to ride them up to 15.5mph on just the motor alone. Indeed, my Daughters fellas Mum has one and I service it for her. Trust me, they very slowly trundle up to speed, and it doesn't take much of an incline at all to crop that back to 12 or 10 mph when ridden on on just the motor alone.
I say it again, because I know the truth of it first hand. Any rider who isn't injured, very elderly, or disabled, will have little difficulty outpacing an ebike with only 250 watts (maximum continuously rated output) being ridden on battery power alone.
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went with this so i can bring in to stores . as a kid i had my bike stolen and i never got over it. but my family onky had bikes no cars https://swagtron.com/product/swagtron-swagcycle-eb-5-lightweight-aluminum-folding-ebike/
ColinJ
Puzzle game procrastinator!
- Location
- Todmorden - Yorks/Lancs border
I had my bike stolen from school when I was a kid. I didn't get another one for 20 years! Definitely NOT a nice experience...
I recommend that you keep a closer eye on your ebike than the young woman in the video did - I think somebody would steal it pretty quickly if she kept turning her back on it or leaving it unlocked outside shops like that.
Oh, and make sure your saddle height is right - she had it way too low.
im pretty excited i have not been able to walk to store due to knees and thr high grasss .soi spent extra money to have amazon bring my food. and some days i wait all day to get my food so i can eat and they never bring it. luckly i found some mwc n chesese boxes but had ni milk lol ps water dont work lol
That's interesting, I'd have thought that 250 electrical watts into a hub motor would be pretty efficient, what would you estimate efficiency at? 250 human watts into the pedals is quite a useful amount of power for me (fit bloke in my 60s)
ebikes whether limited to 15mph or higher can destroy an average cyclist and embarrass a pro rider up a decent climb.
Put an average rider who can hold 200W add 250W and will muller a non ebike up inclines.
GPLama well known on YouTube, gets owned by his partner
View: https://youtu.be/4U_y75o_zDc
Put an average rider who can hold 200W add 250W and will muller a non ebike up inclines.
GPLama well known on YouTube, gets owned by his partner
View: https://youtu.be/4U_y75o_zDc
According to Drago, that 250 electrical watts doesn't appear as 250W at the wheel, and the extra weight would hold it back on a steeper climb. I'm curious to know how efficient it really is.
So if it's, say 80% efficient that's 200W. Add the 200W from the rider and you have 400W so yeah that'd destroy me but I don't think a pro would be much troubled.
Strava does power reading 'estimates', here are figures for me up a 6% average incline, you can see which ride is on an eBike - 250watts poweroutput on the motor
.What's interesting is when you look at the power meter figures my eBike reports. I haven't done a proper FTP but its going to be around 200watts, firmly in the 'amateur' region. This is a segment on my eBike along a flatish route, despite putting out 250watts+ of unassited power my speed is much slower than on my road bike purely down to aero + drivetrain loss of cheap Halfords frameset (eBike) versus 105/Ultegra + Trek carbon frame.
So an eBike pushing out 250watts with zero human power, in a flat bar hybrid frameset will be 4mph+ slower (20% slower) than an unassisted rider doing the same power but on a road bike on the flat.
This isn't however most eBikes are used, mine is used to get me to work without sweating like a pig. This is the power figures of my eBike assisted commute into work, you can see the speed is bang on the 15.5mph cut off, the actual total power output with me pedaling + motor is sub 200watts. So to travel at a legal 15.5mph assisted speed 250watts of motor power alone is more than enough.
The power graph suggests I was probably doing proper 'work' interms of adding significant amount of power from my legs for less than 30 seconds out of a 20 minute+ commute.
For my commute into work I arrive with barely raised heart rate, which is perfect for commuting.
But there is no denying 200watts+ of extra power when COMBINED with your legs does crazy things when the road rises - this time gets me into the top 5 of the Strava segment if I didn't mark the ride as electric assisted.
Am almost 1 mintue quicker up a 8% gradient (14% max ramp) which normally takes me just under 3 minutes on my eBike.
If you removed the speed limit on these eBikes, put in the effort on a decent frameset, even without 1000watt motors they absolutely can turn amateurs with FTPs sub 400watts into Tour winners (and by a massive margin).
View: https://youtu.be/cjcsla7U6GM
If you want to be lazy and sit at 15.5mph with no effort any legal eBike is fine with 250watt output.
If you want to go fast everywhere on an eBike you need to put the effort in (or go illegal).
Lazy or not, any eBike will make hills much easier, which is what puts lots of people off cycling in the first place.
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You are either putting zero effort in on the eBike attempts or you have an FTP figure of close to 400watts - in which case you are 100% not a normal cyclists.
Do you have any Strava segment times to share?
As posted above my best 'assisted' time up the steepest hill in Leicestershire is 1:43, that's within striking distance of the KOM, and am very 'average' as a cyclist interms of power out put!!
Most of us simply cannot achieve the power figures you are hitting to better legal eBike assisted attempts on hills with a non assisted bike.
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