COVID Vaccine !

[Craig the cyclist]

I've not had a test yet, might just order some.

Just walk in to a chemist and ask for them. They give them out for free right there and then.

 

[neil_merseyside]

I've not had a test yet, might just order some.

Make sure you gag when doing your throat (always 1st) then try and poke your brains out when bogey mining.
Oh and rotate the swab and revolve it around the nostril too.
Blow your nose first, well before you start, but do your throat first or your transferring a bogey

 

[lane]

Not seen Workington mentioned either re vaccine or a 'West Cumbria Hotspot'.

There has been something about a vaccination bus in Warrington though.

Just refer back to where the hotspots were when we had the tier system prior to Xmas; exactly the same places now. Might be worth finding out why that is.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Just refer back to where the hotspots were when we had the tier system prior to Xmas; exactly the same places now. Might be worth finding out why that is.

Sorry, I think I've missed something. Can you remind me where these hotspots were and why?

 

[lane]

For example Leicester. It was the first hotspot identified when we came out of lockdown 1, remained a hotspot through the tier system up to Christmas. It is now a hotspot as we come out of lockdown 3 being in top 5 for the new variant.

 

[neil_merseyside]

For example Leicester. It was the first hotspot identified when we came out of lockdown 1, remained a hotspot through the tier system up to Christmas. It is now a hotspot as we come out of lockdown 3 being in top 5 for the new variant.

All that means is the working/housing pressures are unchanged?

 

[mjr]

2) The higher percentage of the population who get vaccinated the less chance there is of either individual catching COVID-19 in the 'first place'.

I thought we are still likely to test PCR positive for the short window between getting a noseful of covid and it being expelled after getting killed by antibodies?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

AZ and Pfizer as effective against Indian variant as it is against Kent variant after two jabs one study (Public Health England) suggests:

The Pfizer and AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccines are highly effective against the variant identified in India after two doses, a study has found.

Two jabs of either vaccine give a similar level of protection against symptomatic disease from the Indian variant as they do for the Kent one.

However, both vaccines were only 33% effective against the Indian variant three weeks after the first dose.

This compared with 50% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

Public Health England, which ran the study, said the vaccines are likely to be even more effective at preventing hospital admission and deaths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596

 

[Bromptonaut]

How is the efficiency of a vaccine measured?

If you're in the cohort where it's not effective are you unprotected or is just that you might get quite ill?

 

[mjr]

Effective, efficacious and efficient are all different.

https://www.who.int/influenza_vaccines_plan/resources/Session4_VEfficacy_VEffectiveness.PDF

Vaccine efficacy- % reduction in disease incidence in a vaccinated group compared to an unvaccinated group under optimal conditions.

But:

studies assess effectiveness by comparing the vaccination status of individuals who develop the disease (cases) with a group of individuals without the disease (controls) who are also representative of the population from which the cases arise. If the vaccine is effective, the cases are more likely to be the unvaccinated individuals.

Vaccines do not always need to have an exceptionally high effectiveness to be useful, for example the influenza vaccine is 40-60% effective yet saves thousands of lives every year.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-difference-between-efficacy-and-effectiveness

 

[Ajax Bay]

Effectiveness - if it's quoted at 95%, see below, from the USA, on the 5%
CDC report that 10,262 fully vaccinated residents of the USA experienced breakthrough* COVID-19 by 30 Apr (and think it likely the figure is under-reported). Within these, 27%, were asymptomatic and 2% (160 people) died.
995 people were hospitalized (12%), including 289 hospitalized for asymptomatic infection or for reasons unrelated to COVID-19,
Study was published online May 25 in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR).
By end April USA had fully (ie double dose) vaccinated 101M. 5% of 101M is . . . .

* tested positive for COVID-19 more than two weeks after being fully vaccinated.

 

[mjr]

French vlogger whistle-blows on Russians pretending to be a UK PR firm trying to pay him to spread anti-vax myths https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/25...offered-cash-to-spread-vaccine-disinformation

 

[mjr]

Boris just repeated the lie that the vaccine rollout could not have happened while part of the EMA (even though it started under that regime during the transition period) at Prime Minister's Questions.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Pretty sure the "vaccine roll out" could not have happened at the pace it has if the UK had agreed (NB with no seat at the EMA discussion/decision table) to go with the EMA procurement. So in those terms the PM's answer is not a 'lie'.
The "vaccine roll out" was enabled at pace by the early in quantity supply the VTF (UK) success enabled.
I appreciate you have pointed out that in theory, participants in an EMA led procurement programme could go and advance purchase more supply, but that freedom would not have included procurement of vaccines which were on the putative EMA 'buy'. So not Pfizer, not Oxford-AZ: massive delay in supply and we would be probably 20% less fully vaccinated.

 

[mjr]

Pretty sure the "vaccine roll out" could not have happened at the pace it has if the UK had agreed (NB with no seat at the EMA discussion/decision table) to go with the EMA procurement. So in those terms the PM's answer is not a 'lie'.

I will wait for the transcript but I think he did not limit his answer to a procurement scheme, an omission which turns it into a lie.