Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
If someone built it, they would
Does doing something "for charity" give you special rights?
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If someone built it, they would
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
There are no stairs, just shallow steps. They did not use the steps as you do not need to to access the trig point. You can get to it from 360 degrees but people new to the outdoors, likely never left a pavement before, now choose to queue and only approach via the shallow steps. The hoo haw I think is because the charity walkers also tried to take a photo there.
The queue is artificial and not necessary. A recent infliction from post pandemic newbies. Anyone who has been there and hill walked for years understands this.
Sea of vapours
Guru
- Location
- Clapham, Yorkshire Dales
The trouble is that the steps were ever made. Were they not there, many people might well deem the summit 'too hard to get to', especially those alighting from the train a few tens of metres away.
Regular.Cyclist
Veteran
- Location
- South West Scotland 🏴
In response to the OP’s question. No, just because you are doing something for charity doesn’t give you any enhancement in your rights.
That doesn’t mean people won’t get at entitled and demand something they have no right to.
Having been active pretty much my entire life so far, I have never done anything to raise money for charity, and neither have those I mix with. It would seem silly to ask for charitable donations for me to do something I enjoy and was already signed up for anyway.
I have, of course, donated to charities directly at various times.
That doesn’t mean people won’t get at entitled and demand something they have no right to.
Having been active pretty much my entire life so far, I have never done anything to raise money for charity, and neither have those I mix with. It would seem silly to ask for charitable donations for me to do something I enjoy and was already signed up for anyway.
I have, of course, donated to charities directly at various times.
presta
Legendary Member
The summit of Scafell Pike is 3210', trig point 3206'.
classic33
Leg End Member
And maybe like the work done on the paths, to keep the erosion/damage being done to a minimum, those steps were put in place to make it one way up/down to the Trig Point.
Stop people approaching from any angle they like. And it's a pre pandemic problem, just the sheer number of people wishing to visit the area. Just like any other popular "tourist" area in the UK.
As for being approachable from any direction, not without climbing.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Nope, it is to make it accessible to those who are not so steady on their feet, having just got off the train.
The erosion argument was lost when the railway was opened in 1896 and the summit cafe was also built. The mountain summit is dominated by man made structures.
Perhaps removing the steps, moving the trig point to the top of the railway would be the best solution. .Removing the railway would be best, but that is not going to happen.
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classic33
Leg End Member
Go back to 2021 and there was a queue to actually start on the path, at one point six hours long.
That pillar is just short of four foot high, so what you are saying is you'd be willing to climb upto the pillar, ignoring both sets of steps, just to avoid the queue. Sense of entitlement couldn't be louder. As for moving a piece of history just to suit people like yourself, why?
You'd be happy to cover the cost of a rescue should you fall attempting it no doubt?
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Lol, I doubt it given the myriad ways up. Likely just bad misrepresented reporting. Do you have a link to the article claiming a six hour queue of people standing in the road to join a public bridleway?
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Widnes
Depends which route you are talking about
If I recall correctly (it has been a while) the start of the pyg track can be quite narrow
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T4tomo
Legendary Member
indeed, and given there are two sets of narrow stairs, it naturally lends itself to a one way system when crowded, and hence it queues, particularly as people seem to have a need to "selfie" everything to death.
I don't think Charity Charlie opted to scale the the rocky bit to touch the trig point, Magnificent Ming style. hard to tell from the video, but I suspect he went up the down steps.
Most unfathomable is why he then went running to the BBC to moan about being moaned at, he comes across as a self entitled twerp.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
A six hour queue for the pyg track (which is not narrow) from the car park at Pen-Y-Pass that can accommodate maybe 50 cars. I think not. The idea that people would even wait six hours to join is ridiculous. We still haven’t seen the article claiming this.
Beebo
Firm and Fruity
- Location
- Hexleybeef
The Pyg track isn’t a gentle stroll. It is quite narrow in places. There are definitely some areas of hand and knee scrambling.
There is a requirement for reasonable fitness and agility
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Come on, you don’t need to use your hands on that easy terrain unless you have poor balance. I can understand that if you are only used to pavements you might find it hard. But again that is just poor foot work / balance. The Pyg track is not a scramble, its a walk. Most of the track is wide enough for two. Still waiting for this article claiming a 6 hour queue to get on one of the paths.
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